ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase - Page 37

DocDutch · 17-08-2005, 12:59

nice of NTL to give us this upgrade when we get it....just hope that the service will be more stable, as I've had quite a few intermittend problems with my line (as now I havent had i-net since last sunday).

the 1 thing I do hope is that the upload speeds are going to get a slight increase to get us in line with most of Europe (ie Holland where you have with most 2meg and above connections a 1meg upload)

Ignition · 17-08-2005, 13:06

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Originally Posted by caffine

in scandinavian countrys esp sweden you can get awesome links

i mean in lund(sweden) if your lucky enough you can get a 1gbit link to your home.

Some cable companies, this list taken from a DS post showing up Telewest's rather cack upload on 10M:

RCN - 10Mbps / 768kbps
Optimum Online - 10Mbps / 1Mbps
Cogeco 10Mbps / 1Mbps
Rogers - 5Mbps / 1Mbps
Shaw - 8Mbps / 1Mbps
Videotron - 5.1Mbps / 1Mbps
Road Runner / Time Warner Cable - 8Mbps / 512kbps
Comcast - 8Mbps / 768kbps

Outside of North America, in Europe:

Chello / UPC France: 10Mbps/512kbps
Chello / UPC Netherlands: 20Mbps/1Mbps OR 8Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Poland: 4Mbps/512kbps
UPC Sweden: 24Mbps/8Mbps
Chello / UPC Austria: 12Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Belgium: 20Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Czech Republic: 4Mbps/512kbps
Chello / UPC Hungary: 5Mbps/512kbps

There's a number of DSL2+ ISPs in Sweden, France, Netwherlands, etc which also offer more than 10Mbit.

Optimum Online are trialling 20Mbit, Adelphia in the US 15, both with 2Mbit uploads, both on cable.

Also in the US Verizon FIOS offers 5/2, 15/2 and 25/5 via fibre to the home.

Hans Gruber · 17-08-2005, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Some cable companies, this list taken from a DS post showing up Telewest's rather cack upload on 10M:

Does that mean NTL's upload will be closer to the foreign offerings?

Ignition · 17-08-2005, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Does that mean NTL's upload will be closer to the foreign offerings?

I have no idea, I'm not privvy to that info, and sadly even if I were I couldn't tell you.

DocDutch · 17-08-2005, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Ignition

I have no idea, I'm not privvy to that info, and sadly even if I were I couldn't tell you.

I wish you where Ignition...

SMHarman · 17-08-2005, 14:55

You could add the US cable offerings.
TimeWarner/RoadRunner standard 5Mbps/i'll keep looking
TimeWarner/RoadRunner enhanced 8Mbsp/512
(their web site is amusing as they are advertising as 3x faster than ADSL (standard of 1.5Mbps), not long ago we were comparing cable to dial up.
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Rogers 5Mbps/800k
Shaw (Ca) 7 Mbps
Shaw (Ca) 5 Mbps

slowcoach · 17-08-2005, 15:48

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Yeah but most don't realise that, purely their 'up to 8mbit!!!!' marketing spin is going to make punters on other services think of it as just that, that is until something like watchdog 'exposes' it so all the interweb nubbys understand that it doesn't mean you will get 8mbit.

On the other hand, ntl's "by the end of 2005" and "by the end of 2006" could start to kick in from next Monday

Ignition · 17-08-2005, 15:55

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

You could add the US cable offerings.
TimeWarner/RoadRunner standard 5Mbps/i'll keep looking
TimeWarner/RoadRunner enhanced 8Mbsp/512
(their web site is amusing as they are advertising as 3x faster than ADSL (standard of 1.5Mbps), not long ago we were comparing cable to dial up.
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Rogers 5Mbps/800k
Shaw (Ca) 7 Mbps
Shaw (Ca) 5 Mbps

Yip covered those above, btw Rogers is 6Mbps / 1Mbps now I believe, Rogers is Canadian too.

Shaw is 8Mbps I think, though I might be wrong, they're deffo 1Mbps upstream though.

rogerdraig · 17-08-2005, 15:57

[QUOTE=Stuart C]

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

Only if the government spent loads of money building your house, then sold it to you for a few pounds (which, IIRC happened with the BT phone network - they sold billions of pounds of networking equipment to BT for a few pounds).

Not quite. AFAIK, there are only a few groups of people who can enter your house without your permission and without a warrant.

When NTL took on the smaller cable companies, they took on the debts incurred building the networks. This nearly bankrupted them. They are still paying off one of the largest debts in corporate history. Forcing NTL to open their network (although, as Bill C says, it already is open to those who wish to pay) could actually bankrupt NTL. So, less competition.

In the mean while, if NTL's prices do cause you concern, there *is* competition in the market. AOL on the NTL network, and the various ADSL providers. You'll also find BT is quite competitive when it comes to costs.

to CabelForum BTW

perhaps i should have worded it as "a suprising number of people can" rather than "loads of" but i expect lots wouls still think it rather a lot of them

and yep there is aol but that just goes to show the lack of competition in reality as if aol can make a profit despite paying ntl, then there is still a lot of profit being made that a bit better competition could reduce a bit in our favour

simbr · 17-08-2005, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Optimum Online are trialling 20Mbit, Adelphia in the US 15, both with 2Mbit uploads, both on cable.

Also in the US Verizon FIOS offers 5/2, 15/2 and 25/5 via fibre to the home.

I was reading yesterday about someone on FTTH with 20/20 and no caps for something like $80.

Gareth · 17-08-2005, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

to CabelForum BTW

CabelForum...?!? It's Cable Forum. You''d think a Mod would know better

etccarmageddon · 17-08-2005, 16:50

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Originally Posted by slowcoach

On the other hand, ntl's "by the end of 2005" and "by the end of 2006" could start to kick in from next Monday

which pub do you drink in? and have you been speaking to that bloke again?

slowcoach · 17-08-2005, 16:59

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

which pub do you drink in? and have you been speaking to that bloke again?

I was just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
A new subscriber was told that they couldn't be connected until next Monday.
Someone else rang CS and was told the 10Mbs would happen next Monday.
Looks like something is happening, hopefully.

Stuart · 17-08-2005, 17:09

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

and yep there is aol but that just goes to show the lack of competition in reality as if aol can make a profit despite paying ntl, then there is still a lot of profit being made that a bit better competition could reduce a bit in our favour

NTL are obviously willing to open up their network, given enough money. AOL managed to use it. Maybe you should ask the other ISPs why they won't? Also, you appear to be forgetting that a large proportion of NTL subscribers can also get ADSL services, but they do have to switch to an ADSL compatible phone provider. Not a perfect solution, but it *is* competition.

**Mick** · 17-08-2005, 17:18

You may recall that in the announcement last week that it said:-

ntl will also offer a choice of broadband services with unlimited usage.

I had received more information on these from ntl:-

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Unlimited broadband products - on track and prices unchanged

According to ntl figures, 98% of ntl customers do not exceed their monthly usage allowance. Perhaps that's why the 10Mb announcement has been the focus of many people's attention. However, for the two percent who do use more bandwidth, the new unlimited tier products may be a good option. ntl will be one of the few companies to offer this choice of broadband service.

We can confirm that a pilot of the unlimited products is on schedule to
launch this year and that prices for the unlimited services will remain the
same as the existing three price points.

Just as the 10Mb product will feature the existing three prices (but with
different usage allowances), the three Unlimited products will also feature the same three prices (but with different speeds). The speeds of the unlimited products will be less than 10Mb.