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03-05-2008, 02:05

Don't really know of anyone who'd host it for me so I've gone for an upload to a file share storage... hope that's ok...

If anyone hasn't seen this -

It's the original BBC Newsplayer Click presentation Phorm Article complete with Alexander's interview with Kent

ripped to WMV format

http://rapidshare.de/files/39297328/...x9_bb.wmv.html

Have phun!

BadPhormula · 03-05-2008, 02:09

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Originally Posted by Pasanonic

oh pish. Some of us oldies have been sporting that look for years. ( mainly from design rather than choice)

LOL! Very funny! That's a picture of the Brixton Postoffice armed robber that appeared on Crime Watch UK the other week!

Pasanonic · 03-05-2008, 02:16

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Originally Posted by BadPhormula

LOL! Very funny! That's a picture of the Brixton Postoffice armed robber that appeared on Crime Watch UK the other week!

Aww, you wound me sir. That is a picture of me on Easter day celebrating my achievement of 10000 posts on another forum I am regular at.

You don't want to see the rest of the picture as apart from a strategically placed easter egg I am completely naked. Naked is the site's preference for pictures when celebrating a big round number.

popper · 03-05-2008, 02:34

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7380364.stm
Phorm boss talks targeted ads

By Spencer Kelly
Presenter, BBC Click

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need to hit that hard tomorrow people, its not in the top ten as yet...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...s/html/map.stm

Chroma · 03-05-2008, 02:37

Marlon Brando had an outstanding, every film he was in was regarded as a masterpiece, up till after Apocalypse Now! when he went into a downward spiral and his track record quickly deteriorated, anyone who's endured "Don Juan" will undoubtedly agree.

The same can be argued regarding Jack Nicolson, up till late hes had a decent career but recently things have begun to wane.

In both cases it seems a paycheque has more importance over personal integrity and the same can now be seen in Simons case.

Whilst im certain that when presented with these jobs none had the benifit of hindsight and im confident that when Phorm aproached 80/20 Thinking no one had any way of knowing how much of a debacle would ensue.

This being said however, before i sign a contract or take a job onboard i spend a significant portion of time researching just what im getting into, it doesnt seem as if 80/20 has done so in this case however.

Personaly i would have penned off as "Alan Smithee" on the interim PIA and subsequent documentation.

I dont proclaim to have any great knowledge or insight into how these contracts came about, im fairly new to PIA's and for all i know there could be just as much lying, lawbreaking and misdirection, this might very well be part of the process for all im aware. I certainly hope not however, because it seems to me that it would be a really nasty business to be in.

At the end of the day however someone had to do the privacy assessment. Lets just hope its worth more than the paper its printed on.

Digbert · 03-05-2008, 04:05

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Originally Posted by serial

It's also a disgrace that BT sent a parliamentary briefing to all MPs dated 4th April that stated that 80/20 had carried out a PIA when it hadn't even been published. Had 8020 Thinking agreed to this briefing?

80/20 Thinking haven't made it completely clear that it was an interim report...
http://8020thinking.com/news/9.html?task=view

80/20Thinking · 03-05-2008, 04:44

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Originally Posted by Digbert

80/20 Thinking haven't made it completely clear that it was an interim report...
http://8020thinking.com/news/9.html?task=view

Gosh... well spotted Digbert. Many thanks for that. I've just amended the page to make clear that it's an interim report.

popper · 03-05-2008, 05:51

simon, you should have sorted that simple live webcam feed as requested and we would'nt be having this problem now, but i did warn you didnt i....

a simple and cheap divx realtime yakumo USB video encoder(Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£70 or less), a copy of VLC and any reasonable video cam pluged into it and the wireless/wired laptop would have been simple and yet effective to do after all.......

03-05-2008, 07:20

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Originally Posted by popper

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/7380364.stm
Phorm boss talks targeted ads

By Spencer Kelly

Kelly needs a better proof reader... "The tracking software SITES on hardware installed at your ISP". Aren't spell checkers great? LOL.

Hank

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Originally Posted by popper

simon, you should have sorted that simple live webcam feed as requested and we would'nt be having this problem now, but i did warn you didnt i....

a simple and cheap divx realtime yakumo USB video encoder(Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£70 or less), a copy of VLC and any reasonable video cam pluged into it and the wireless/wired laptop would have been simple and yet effective to do after all.......

Yeah right... does anyone think SImon would have (COULD have) done that? What would his client actually have to say about that? Given that we're still waiting to see the video which Simon's company did promise would shortly be available but which Simon's company did not state was within the control of his client at the time?

I was very much in the camp of supporting 80/20 but the longer this goes on the more I move away from that position.

It is possible that the video was originally within 80/20 Thinking's control (as suggested by their website detail about the event) but the client has since told them what they can do with it - i.e. not release it.

80/20 would then HAVE to declare it was always a Phorm responsibility and apologise for any misunderstanding due to the lack of clarity in their announcement. Phorm would agree to that statement because it works for them. I'm not saying this has definitely happened, but it could be the explanation in my view and unfortunately nobody can prove it one way or another. Apologies to Simon but it is no longer a question of trust as I see it.

Silence from Phorm on the video. No PIA from 80/20 and when it comes we're already seeing the questions about it's validity (fair enough, raised by 80/20 as a concern from the outset).

No trials happening (we trust!) No reply yet to the two new questions the Earl of Northesk has asked. No reply yet from my MP who is waiting for answers from the Dept for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform.

The only good news seems to be hearing from Kent, which is the best PR ever for any campaign for privacy

Hank

ceedee · 03-05-2008, 08:32

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Originally Posted by jelv

Suppose the PIA pulls the rug out from under Kent's feet. You're giving Kent the perfect excuse to ignore it - "If those opposed to Phorm were prepared to ignore the PIA if they didn't agree with it's conclusions they must consider that it carries little weight, they can't have it both ways and now complain if we chose to ignore it".

I suggest we all stop speculating about what it will or will not say and wait until it is published.

Please think of the implications of deriding the methodology of the 80/20 PIA and Simon's reputation for independence before posting.

03-05-2008, 09:01

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Originally Posted by ceedee

Please think of the implications of deriding the methodology of the 80/20 PIA and Simon's reputation for independence before posting.

Has anyone queried the methodology? Sorry if I missed that somewhere. I think the methodology set out is good.

The issue will be, have they followed it? The PIA will be assessed itself when it finally arrives (and better late than never in my view if that helps get a quality output - one which has followed the methodology a good PIA should follow)

What you maybe are meaning to say ceedee, is don't judge it before we've seen it? The problem is that speculation happens because there is a void until it arrives (not helped by the video fiasco)

Hank

Sirius · 03-05-2008, 09:04

Well i now have my BT line reactivated ready should i need to move.

Dephormation · 03-05-2008, 09:47

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Originally Posted by ceedee

Please think of the implications of deriding the methodology of the 80/20 PIA and Simon's reputation for independence before posting.

No one's deriding the methodology. Its the wish to see that methodology applied by someone with the highest ethical/privacy standards that's causing concern.

Conversely please consider the implications of giving assurances about ethics/privacy policies before ignoring them, or promising open and transparent publication of an important public debate before denying it.

Thats not to say there isn't a ethical conclusion to this that is consistent with ethical/privacy statements... there is.

But there's only one outcome that leaves a shred of credibility. It needs someone with the balls to walk away from Phorm, and bin their cheque.

Yet, if a PIA is to be completed, it would seem a foregone conclusion.

ceedee · 03-05-2008, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceedee

Please think of the implications of deriding the methodology of the 80/20 PIA and Simon's reputation for independence before posting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank

Has anyone queried the methodology? Sorry if I missed that somewhere. I think the methodology set out is good.

The issue will be, have they followed it? The PIA will be assessed itself when it finally arrives (and better late than never in my view if that helps get a quality output - one which has followed the methodology a good PIA should follow)

What you maybe are meaning to say ceedee, is don't judge it before we've seen it? The problem is that speculation happens because there is a void until it arrives (not helped by the video fiasco)

Deriding (not just querying) and undermining the PIA (and it's authors) before it's published is unhelpful.

Speculation is pointless but understandable.
But just because my mouth is open (a void) it doesn't mean I have to stick my foot in it...

Dephormation · 03-05-2008, 10:00

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Originally Posted by ceedee

Deriding (not just querying)

I'm happy to accept that I'm critical of Simon Davis.

Simon invites us to trust him on the basis of his reputation (I don't know him, never met him).

To repeat myself a little, its my wish to see a PIA methodology applied by someone with the highest ethical/privacy standards.

If Simon meets his own published ethical/privacy standards, I'm happy. There is but one possible outcome.