The anyone but England thread! - Page 35

Nugget · 22-06-2006, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Flobajob

You're either happy to see England lose (as Russ D is) or you support them and are happy to see them win, it's as simple as that. Most people are able to disassociate the media from the physical England team.

But it's not as simple as that, is it? As I said a while back in this thread, I will be happy for all of the Home Nations to do well in any competition. However, if England play them, I want England to absolutely stuff them. As such, I am perfectly happy to see Wales (for example) win their games, but happier still if they lose to England

Russ · 22-06-2006, 10:59

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

To be honest, having read a lot of the posts here, Russ did come across as not wanting England to do well, in how he's said a lot of the stuff he has. Maybe he didn't come across as he intended but based on his posts here I'd draw the conclusion, as would most people, that he doesnt want England to win. The fact he's put in a few lines saying he wants England to do well, and a significant number of quotes from him show he's happy to see them lose, wouldnt make me change my mind.

Let me make this clear once and for all.

Althought I don't think England have sufficient quality to do so, I want to see England win the World Cup.

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Originally Posted by weirdworldstate

Like I said, you've expunged the evidence now, so no way to prove it.

Ok well good luck with your agenda against me. FYI the 'evidence' has not been expunged. All posts made in that thread are still there it's just you can't see them however team members can.

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Originally Posted by Flobajob

You're either happy to see England lose (as Russ D is) or you support them and are happy to see them win, it's as simple as that.

Ok well good luck with your agenda too. I'm made my position clear on this in this post. Apologies if it wasn't clear before but now I think it is, I even put it in bold in case you missed it.

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Originally Posted by Flobajob

Most people are able to disassociate the media from the physical England team.

Yes, even though I disassociated the media from the fans, not the team.

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Originally Posted by Nugget

But it's not as simple as that, is it? As I said a while back in this thread, I will be happy for all of teh Home Nations to do well in any competition. However, if England play them, I want England to absolutely stuff them. As such, I am perfectly happy to see Wales (for example) win their games, but happier still if they lose to England

Nugg mate, give it up. Your common sense reasoning is weakening his argument against me and we can't be having that!!

weirdworldstate · 22-06-2006, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Ok well good luck with your agenda against me.

No agenda. Because all this nationalism stuff makes no odds to me.

You want to be Welsh and British but NOT English? Fine. I have no problem with that, except to say that I think that for the UK it is a BAD thing that the different nations of the union find each other so unbearable.

Now stop pretending that you support the England World Cup team, and enjoy watching them go out, if they do. It won't affect the outcome or anyone else's enjoyment (or misery) of the England games.

Russ · 22-06-2006, 11:10

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Originally Posted by weirdworldstate

You want to be Welsh and British but NOT English? Fine. I have no problem with that, except to say that I think that for the UK it is a BAD thing that the different nations of the union find each other so unbearable.

I didn't say it's unbearable - that's your word. What I'm saying is I have Wales' interests first. That doesn't mean I wish harm on any other nation or it's people.

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Originally Posted by weirdworldstate

Now stop pretending that you support the England World Cup team, and enjoy watching them go out, if they do. It won't affect the outcome or anyone else's enjoyment (or misery) of the England games.

No need for me to stop 'pretending' that I support them because I do support them. One of the 2 football teams I support plays in England, a few of it's players are in the national team including one who the media and many of the fans believe is vital to it's success - why wouldn't I want them to win? The only time I would specifically want England to lose is when they play Wales (I still dream...), and I KNOW you're not going criticise me for that - right?

weirdworldstate · 22-06-2006, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I didn't say it's unbearable - that's your word. What I'm saying is I have Wales' interests first. That doesn't mean I wish harm on any other nation or it's people.

I used the word 'unbearable' in the general context of the nationalistic friction between the UK nations.

Unfortunately, for some people it means they do wish harm, or even inflict it.
It was they I was referring to.

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Originally Posted by Russ D

The only time I would specifically want England to lose is when they play Wales (I still dream...), and I KNOW you're not going criticise me for that - right?

No problem - I quite understand.

Flobajob · 22-06-2006, 11:18

I'll say it again

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Originally Posted by Russ D

If it was only jealousy then we'd get over it quick enough - but no, the rest of us are tired of the way the media glorifies everything England does and the BBC's incredible biased approach is what makes us happy to watch another failure at the World Cup for Sven's men

Happy to see England lose because you're sick of the media overhyping them?

Russ · 22-06-2006, 11:23

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Originally Posted by weirdworldstate

I used the word 'unbearable' in the general context of the nationalistic friction between the UK nations.

If there is any 'nationalistic friction' in the nations then it's not come from me.

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Originally Posted by Flobajob

Happy to see England lose because you're sick of the media overhyping them?

If I get any joy from watching England lose then it's directed at the media, not at the fans or team.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 22-06-2006, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Russ D

If I get any joy from watching England lose then it's directed at the media, not at the fans or team.

See this is what I don't quite understand. Surely if you want a team to win, then irregardless of the media attention they receive, you'd still want them to do well, and not get any joy out of seeing them lose, whereever you wish to 'direct' that joy.

weirdworldstate · 22-06-2006, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Russ D

If I get any joy from watching England lose then it's directed at the media, not at the fans or team.

I can see how this is confusing people. The media aren't in any way upset by you, and if England should lose, there will still be plenty of media hype - either blaming the ref, or Sven, or both - as well as venom directed at one or two players who missed a penalty.

However, any England supporters will have trouble understanding your 2-way stance on their fortunes. They'll expect you to either support England, or to be slowly eaten by hungry maggots. I don't think they'll be appeased by your attempt at diplomacy.

As for the media, in the unlikely (

) event of England winning the World Cup, the hype you've seen will be as nothing compared to what we'll have to stomach then!

Nugget · 22-06-2006, 11:43

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Originally Posted by weirdworldstate

<snip>However, any England supporters will have trouble understanding your 2-way stance on their fortunes. They'll expect you to either support England, or to be slowly eaten by hungry maggots. I don't think they'll be appeased by your attempt at diplomacy.<snippetty-snip>

Well, as an England supporter, I've got no trouble understanding Russ' stance - in fact, I thought I summed it up quite well a few posts ago

SlackDad · 23-06-2006, 08:46

Strange this, but watching last night's game between Australia and Croatia, I found myself seriously rooting for the Aussies, in a similar kind of way that I would have supported Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland in a similar postion. I really did have a cheer when Kewell scored the goal to put them through.

Anyone else feel like this?

weirdworldstate · 23-06-2006, 09:06

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Originally Posted by SlackDad

Anyone else feel like this?

Yup. Even when you'd expect to feel 'neutral' you will automatically 'take sides'. If only to provide yourself with a reason to experience the tension, relief and excitement that only comes from supporting a team. If you simply watched the match as a dispassionate bystander, would you enjoy it as much? I don't think so.

**Chris** · 23-06-2006, 09:28

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Originally Posted by SlackDad

Strange this, but watching last night's game between Australia and Croatia, I found myself seriously rooting for the Aussies, in a similar kind of way that I would have supported Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland in a similar postion. I really did have a cheer when Kewell scored the goal to put them through.

Anyone else feel like this?

Absolutely. There are very important historical ties with Australia. We have supported each other in peace and war, they come to live here and we go to live there ... our Queen is their Queen ... it is a perfectly natural, normal and good thing to wish them well. Unless we're on the pitch at the same time, of course.

Stuart · 23-06-2006, 09:41

I have to admit, in last night's game I was supporting Croatia. Not because I have any great love for Croatia, or hate Australia (far from it), but because there was a f**k*n irritating Australian sitting near us in the pub last night.

SlackDad · 23-06-2006, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Absolutely. There are very important historical ties with Australia. We have supported each other in peace and war, they come to live here and we go to live there ... our Queen is their Queen ... it is a perfectly natural, normal and good thing to wish them well. Unless we're on the pitch at the same time, of course.

Agree with this, although - apart from the Queen bit - the same could be said of France. Wonder if my reaction will be the same tonight. Although I would like them to stay in the tournament in th ehope that Henry can display some footballing magic.