[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

There is unanimous support for UK-EU deal, European Council President Donald Tusk says

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35616768


I have the sneaking suspicion that this 'deal' will be as good for the UK as Baldrick's cunning plans were for Edmund Blackadder...

[techguyone]

We know any deal will be worth sweet FA, face it, if any country in the EU can negotiate a preferential deal on the pretext of having an in/out referendum, they'd all be at it.

[Horizon]

Right..... will Boris now go for it and stick the knife into Cameron, all for the "good" of the country of course...?

Gove is already going to be in the out camp, so Saturday should be interesting.

Cameron on tv now.

Here is the deal:

The key changes will mean that:

• A proposed emergency brake on EU migrants claiming in work benefits will last for seven years. It will apply on an individual for no more than four years, and will be phased out after the first year. But the UK will be allowed to apply the overall restrictions for seven years.

• Restrictions on child benefit for EU migrants will kick in at a reduced rate – indexed to the rate of a migrant’s home country – for new migrants with immediate effect. Existing EU migrants will be paid at the lower rate from 2020. Eastern European countries had hoped to exempt existing migrants altogether.

• Britain has a specific opt out from the EU’s historic commitment to forge an ever closer union of the peoples of Europe.

• One country – effectively Britain – will have the right to impose a handbrake to refer contentious financial regulation to a meeting of EU leaders in the European Council.

It's a bit better than the one from a few weeks ago but not what he would have wanted at the start. I think that last point was designed to be the rabbit out of the hat. Someone who knows what they're talking about will have to let us know what it actually means but on the face of it that is probably the substantial one.

[pip08456]

It means nothing unless it is ratified.

[Horizon]

Cameron has made a good case, but it still doesn't change the main issues over border and migrant control. Now I've got the details, I'm voting out.

Wow, deal achieved just in time for the 10 o'clock news. Whodathunkit.

[Sirius]

I already know which way i will vote so i am going to try and avoid all the crap that will be thrown at us on the TV and in the press.

I'm disappointed to hear that some of the Grassroots Out lot staged a walk-out when George Galloway turned up at a rally last night.

You don't have to like his lefty politics to appreciate his skill as an orator. He is undoubtedly an asset to the Leave campaign. (Sorry to keep harking back to Scotland 2014, but Galloway was, by a country mile, the most impressive speaker at the single most informative of all the TV debates. He tied wee nippy in knots. It was beautiful to watch).

Sadly the Leavers seem determined to put ideological purity ahead of actually winning the vote.

[heero_yuy]

So he promised half a loaf, begged for a crust and came back with crumbs. Nothing is worth a candle until it's enshrined in law as the sneaky EU can and will reverse anything he thinks he's achieved. They have form on this.

It will be interesting now Gove has apparently decided which side he's on what Boris and May do.

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm disappointed to hear that some of the Grassroots Out lot staged a walk-out when George Galloway turned up at a rally last night.

You don't have to like his lefty politics to appreciate his skill as an orator. He is undoubtedly an asset to the Leave campaign. (Sorry to keep harking back to Scotland 2014, but Galloway was, by a country mile, the most impressive speaker at the single most informative of all the TV debates. He tied wee nippy in knots. It was beautiful to watch).

Sadly the Leavers seem determined to put ideological purity ahead of actually winning the vote.

Galloway is very unpopular though. The Leavers would do better to put calm, moderate and intelligent people forward as the face of their campaign rather than people like Galloway! If you're going to have a debate where one side are the likes of David Cameron and Alan Johnson and the other side consists of Farage and Galloway then you're going to look like the fruitcake campaign.

Galloway is a skill orator but who does he convince? Plus at some point he'll probably claim the EU is some sort of Zionist conspiracy and you would have that to deal with.

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May is backing IN and so is Sajid Javid. The latter is a big bigger because he is definitely not a fan of Europe.

[Derek]

Thursday 23rd June for the referendum.

Maybe I'm just the cynical type but during his announcement that a pile of horse deal is actually a good thing he said that he would 'do his best' to deliver what the UK public want. Getting ready for a out vote but then stalling and not actually leaving?

Anyway I'm off to troll my SNP supporting Facebook pals as to why one Union is a terrible idea but another is brilliant and should be fought for at all costs.

[heero_yuy]

Private share traders overwhelmingly want to quit the EU – insisting Brexit would be good for Britain.

In a major boost for the Out campaign, research found 63 per cent of personal investors with millions of pounds riding on the referendum result will vote to leave the European Union – a huge jump from 44 per cent just six months ago.

And despite fears it will hit the UK stock market, 60 per cent said Brexit would benefit the country as a whole.

Their opinions have hardened since David Cameron unveiled his draft EU deal and as turmoil has begun to grip the global economy.

Almost one in five said recent chaos on world markets had made them more likely to vote to leave – suggesting they think Britain could weather the storm better from outside the EU.

Linky

[Taf]

"Safer, stronger and better off"... his first soundbite of the upcoming referendum.

Almost as dire as "hard working families" and "protecting those in most need".

[denphone]

Yep our Dave is certainly full of vacuous soundbites that's for sure..