BNP loses seats

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Well....the BNP are anti black people in the UK, kronas is a black British man living in the UK so I think that he of all people is entitled to speak out against the BNP, since they are anti-him!

I think some people seem to be going back a few years and still thinking this thing is just about anti colour when its not. Its about immigrants full stop. I know like I've said already people that have settled over here that think the same thing. Their not daft they know its not going to be fair on them and their family either if it carrys on. Common sense really

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Well how little you know about whats happening out their then. Me wel after gettig back from the pub. One I've not been in for a long time and listening to them go on about all the bloody immigrants shows you know nothing about the real world. apart from YOURS of course.

I'm always going to remember the bloody do gooders like others will. You know its a shame. I know so many people that came to this country to live that think the same thing

Enoughs enough

I have not a clue about anything you said there!!

What I gather though is that you think I do not live in the real world. Um...no actually I do!! Possibly in a more real world than you do anyway as you base all your opinions on school yard banter and what other people and the Dail Mail say.
The other night i was working with a group of young asylum seekers.....possibly the most humbling experiance of my life. They were so eager to learn about how it is to live in the West and when someone spoke in there own language they were quick to point out that I did not understand them and tell me what they were saying. One of them was telling me that their parents asylum application had just been accepted and they were so happy as now they felt that their lives had been saved.

I was talking to one of the other workers who was telling me about a young girl whos fingers had been chopped off as she had been caught wearing nail varnish. Her application had been refused on a technicality........you will be glad at that Defiant and darant as she was then branded "bogus" you would have enjoyed driving her into the sea with you and your BNP policies

I meet people like you every day of my life and i will continue to challenge you no matter where i meet you......I even would chalenge you in the street if i met you or anyone else for that matter. On the subject of racism and the BNP enough is never enough even though you would like to think that when you run out of your petty arguments about "race" and "our" country and still bleat them over and over again......almost as if someone was stabbing you in the side instead of asking for help.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Simple you kick them out to the first neutral country they were in last. Or you lock them up for a few months to show them its not a nice country and then allow the public to KICK them back on the ferry's

If it was that easy then the current government would be doing it, what do you think the current detention centres are for?

I think we really need to look through the hysteria that newspapers like the sun and the daily mail have created and try and remember why we have immigration laws in the first place. Many of the people that come to this country have come here in fear of their lives, theses people need to be welcomed with open arms, they need our help and support to rebuild their lives.

However on the other side of the coin yes we do have a (growing) number of people trying to claim asylum that do not meet the criteria to enter, yes theses people should be rebuffed and should not be allowed into the country.

One thing you have to remember is that many of these "bogus" claimants do not even know what criteria there are or even that they were to be questioned before they were let into the country. Many of these unfortunate people have been conned into thinking that they can travel thousands of mile to come to our country for a better life for them and their family's. This is not true, and our civil services (not the government) do their best to look after them and send them home.

The civil service can only do what the law states, this is a plain and simple fact. The government have tried to change the laws to help with the current situation but the court of human rights have rebuffed their plans. This is not the governments fault, there is NOTHING they or any future government can do. This is yet another plain and simple fact.

If you have a BNP man / woman standing on your doorstep telling you something different the I suggest that you laugh in his/her face and shut the door, because they are lying to you.

I agree with you that people that try to claim asylum but are not eligible should be sent back as soon as possible to prevent money being waisted but they do have a right to appeal, and wouldn't you if you were in their shoes?

The problem here is that some people in the country are unhappy about the way the asylum system is working in this country and the BNP have decided that it would benefit them to join the witch hunt to further their own ends. So far all I have heard is people repeating the BNPs promises to change the asylum system but no one can tell me how they intend to do it, this is because they don;t know themselves.

I watched question time in the spring before the easter break and they were in an area where the BNP had seats (cant remember where exactly) and the issue of the local BNP candidates came up and people there couldn't wait to get rid of them because they had made promises to people than couldn't deliver them.

This is a very emotive subject but people need to remember there are human beings behind the headlines

[kronas]

Originally Posted by darant

I vote BNP.

Whats the problem????

the problem is that the BNP are riding on peoples anger at certain issues the backgrounds of certain members (key members) show that they are racist they are out there to alienate non whites who actually do give back to this country

[kronas]

Originally Posted by dellwear

So tell me then D, what exactly are they going to do to stop illegal immigrants coming into the country?

ill answer this one i think funds would have to be relocated to a sort of special force which deals with finding immigrants they find and locate where they are flooding from and keep them in holding cells till they are deported there details would be noted and if they reattempted to enter the uk and are caught then they would have to be incacirated harsh but fair IMO

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Well....the BNP are anti black people in the UK, kronas is a black British man living in the UK so I think that he of all people is entitled to speak out against the BNP, since they are anti-him!

ramrod the anti-black thing is an issue i am against but apart from that just looking at the party member backgrounds from links i have seen you have to realise people like them dont change they are hiding there real image to get in to power........

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by kronas

ill answer this one i think funds would have to be relocated to a sort of special force which deals with finding immigrants they find and locate where they are flooding from and keep them in holding cells till they are deported there details would be noted and if they reattempted to enter the uk and are caught then they would have to be incacirated harsh but fair IMO

I'm afraid that this shows one of my points to be true. You cant do this, it just isn't possible, international law states that you must go through certain procedures when dealing with people that are trying to claim asylum (for good reason).

I do stand with you in believing that people that aren't entitled to enter the country legally should be sent back promptly but they ways the BNP (and other political party's ) are offering just cant be implemented, we would end up in SOOOOO much trouble.

As an aside, it would be morally wrong to do as you have stated

[Shaun]

While I'm in the thread, can one of you who vote for the BNP please tell me what their other policy's are??

You could start with transport, or education, maybe social services?

Originally Posted by dellwear

You could start with transport, or education, maybe social services?

Yea think of the billions saved if we kept out economic migrants, Housing, Dhss, legal aid etc

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Yea think of the billions saved if we kept out economic migrants, Housing, Dhss, legal aid etc

Possibly in your "top ten" of idiotic posts!!!

BUT....I shall try and tell you what an economic migrant is!!

An economic migrant my dear Defiant is someone who had been allowed entry into the country as they have a valued skill. ie a doctor, nurse or other skilled trade. A bit like people that go away to Australia for a few years...they are economic migrants!!!

Go and read some books eh!!

Originally Posted by aliferste

Possibly in your "top ten" of idiotic posts!!!

BUT....I shall try and tell you what an economic migrant is!!

An economic migrant my dear Defiant is someone who had been allowed entry into the country as they have a valued skill. ie a doctor, nurse or other skilled trade. A bit like people that go away to Australia for a few years...they are economic migrants!!!

Go and read some books eh!!

I see them in parts of this area as people that try and get everything they can from the system. You must be in Cuckoo land.


We know what your views are thought dont we. DOORS WIDE OPEN

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

I see them in parts of this area as people that try and get everything they can from the system. You must be in Cuckoo land.


We know what your views are thought dont we. DOORS WIDE OPEN

Defiant, I think the problem here is your talking at cross purposes because your using the wrong words to describe people. If you reread the comment above then you will see that an economic migrant is someone who has a particular skill that we need and is here legally (they are here to HELP the country, not take from it).

The people you should be unhappy about are the illegal asylum seekers, people that have no right to be here, not people that are here legally.

If your going to accuse people of being in cuckoo land then I guess you should make sure you use the right terminology to describe people. I don;t think its your fault as the papers and people like the BNP use the various terms interchangeably which they aren't

But still you haven't told me HOW they will change the system, and what their other policy's are. Without policy's that can work on every aspect of government then they will destroy the country, yes there may be no illegal immigrants but there will be no economy, schools or hospitals either. Would you like to live in a country like that?

I understand that you are unhappy with the level of "bogus" asylum seekers, but voting BNP will not solve these issues.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

I see them in parts of this area as people that try and get everything they can from the system.

There are lots of people in the UK that do that? Why do you not bother with benifits cheats...they are just as big a drain!

I take it you dont like them as they are black?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by dellwear

As an aside, it would be morally wrong to do as you have stated

some of that is already being done i dont mean treat them rough or anything like that i mean if they made attempts to enter more then once they have clearly been analysed to be coming to this country for alterior motives and not running away from persucation they would have to be dealt with.......

Originally Posted by aliferste

There are lots of people in the UK that do that? Why do you not bother with benifits cheats...they are just as big a drain!

I take it you dont like them as they are black?

Here we go again a muppet with a colour problem. Well muppet are most of the eastern europeans black. NOPE correct so get off your racist horse.

As for "benifits cheats" well why should we have to be dealing with everyone else's problems when like you say we've got our own problems to sort out first. Very nice of you to admit we have these problems though

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Here we go again a muppet with a colour problem. Well muppet are most of the eastern europeans black. NOPE correct so get off your racist horse.

As for "benifits cheats" well why should we have to be dealing with everyone else's problems when like you say we've got our own problems to sort out first. Very nice of you to admit we have these problems though

Well, the BNPs issues are generally around black people and you support them......
You see Defiant, the only issues you go on about are the ones that involve people that are not white.


As usuall you impress me with your amazingingly well thought out arguments!!

The countries problems will never be fixed .......quite handy as you do not want to help anyone else.