Labour Election Posters

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Strange, isn't it - if someone displayed a poster stereotyping labour voters as work-shy dole-scrounging layabouts, watching Sky Sports on their giant plasma TV, surrounded by lots of dirty kids and Staffordshire Bull Terriers, there would be a huge outcry.

But I suppose reverse-snobbery is acceptable.....

(btw, I never have, or intend to, hunt foxes, and neither do the hundreds of people I know who vote Tory - then again, most of my Labour-voting friends don't keep whippets or wear flat caps )

Sadly that would appear to be the case. I guess I would have to go into that snobbish group in that I would vote Tory if necessary to unseat a Labour MP but prefer the Lib Dems. That I have a Lib Dem MP is a huge bonus.

I live in an affluent area which doesn't appear to have ever voted Labour, have a fairly high paying job, I'd better start lobbying my MP to get fox hunting legal again so that I can join the other snobs in my constituency. Maybe we could hunt the above stereotypical Labour voters instead

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

they attack on the running of the economy but plan to cut investment in the public sector very severely which will only increase unmemployment.

So what do you suggest, we just keep increasing taxes until businesses don't want to do business here anymore and people are punished further for actually working?

Investment in the public sector is not a viable way to reduce unemployment. The public sector is there to provide essential services, not to employ as many people as possible. It is the private sector's job to reduce unemployment as it's the private sector that pays for the public sector.

Enlarging the public sector to make the unemployment figures look good is part of the reason for our structural deficit, Labour just employing more and more people in the public sector without having the resources to pay for it.

eg. they attack labour on youth unemployment yet are planning to cut funding for youth training and apprenticeship schemes.

Citation for this would be useful please, along with where this cash would be going.

they attack on the gap between rich and poor and will cut inheritance tax for the rich.

They also want to change the National Insurance increase threshold so that rather than starting at 10k it starts at 45k, removing all those who aren't on top rate tax rate from paying. That strikes me as being quite friendly to the less wealthy. Like it or not the rich, industry and businesses are the engine of economy, when the economy is healthy and there are people to purchase the products because they feel wealthier everyone does better.

It's a balancing act that Labour have failed at, they haven't had the testicles to impose direct taxes so have instead been slapping people with indirect and non-progressive taxation which has hurt the poor far more than the rich. Labour are no better, apart from that they love spending money they don't have and want to run everything through a massive public sector.

they claim they will get people on incapacity benefit back into work, the truth is they will just unconditionally cut their income and leave them to rot after that.

Your opinion, no way to know how that would pan out.

they attack on the how labour handling of the banks yet the tories for short term gains plan to sell those shares on the cheap. Guess who will snap most of them up.

You did read this policy somewhere beyond the Labour party's response, right? It was about offering shares to people at a discount. Many of those who aren't super rich would snap these up, would be a good use of their savings. The super rich wouldn't get rights to any more shares than anyone else.

Those who aren't able to benefit from this as they simply can't afford to living from pay cheque to pay cheque would probably welcome not having 1% stuck onto their NI by next year's increase.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I cant think of what they will do for the average working class tho.

The Tories will do the same thing that they have always done to the working classes who vote for them, take them to the cleaners as they always have.

Unless you have a silver spoon in your mouth or are an ex etonian they will care very little for them.

Labour are doing the very best to emulate them.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Moldova

The Tories will do the same thing that they have always done to the working classes who vote for them, take them to the cleaners as they always have.

Unless you have a silver spoon in your mouth or are an ex etonian they will care very little for them.

Labour are doing the very best to emulate them.

I'm really tempted to scan my P60 so that you can see just how much those of us who aren't described as 'working class' get taken to the cleaners.

When did the 'working classes' start feeling so persecuted? We're all getting it firmly and deeply at the moment. This whole 'working classes' nonsense and indeed everything about 'classes' is irrelevant.

I have no silver spoon in my mouth, I do however fence at Eton once a week but I'm quite interested in the idea of paying less taxes as I would imagine most people would be.

It's not the government's job to care for us beyond basic and essential services, much as Labour wants to, we are all responsible for ourselves at the end of the day. More people that take this attitude the less the government will get in our face and the more of our pay we'll take home with us.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Strange, isn't it - if someone displayed a poster stereotyping labour voters as work-shy dole-scrounging layabouts, watching Sky Sports on their giant plasma TV, surrounded by lots of dirty kids and Staffordshire Bull Terriers, there would be a huge outcry.

But I suppose reverse-snobbery is acceptable.....

(btw, I never have, or intend to, hunt foxes, and neither do the hundreds of people I know who vote Tory - then again, most of my Labour-voting friends don't keep whippets or wear flat caps )

Well said

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I'm really tempted to scan my P60 so that you can see just how much those of us who aren't described as 'working class' get taken to the cleaners.

When did the 'working classes' start feeling so persecuted? We're all getting it firmly and deeply at the moment. This whole 'working classes' nonsense and indeed everything about 'classes' is irrelevant.

I have no silver spoon in my mouth, I do however fence at Eton once a week but I'm quite interested in the idea of paying less taxes as I would imagine most people would be.

It's not the government's job to care for us beyond basic and essential services, much as Labour wants to, we are all responsible for ourselves at the end of the day. More people that take this attitude the less the government will get in our face and the more of our pay we'll take home with us.

You did notice that I also classed Labour as being no different to the Conservatives as nowadays that party is just a clone of the Tory party.

We have no mainstream party that we can trust not to screw us regardless of any promises made to the electorate once they are in power.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

To correct that one, no doubt labour are soft on children but they have come down very hard on childless welfare claimants. However the tories blew their chance to steal those votes by announcing a policy thats even tougher and unreasonable. Of course the majority of the country are welfare claimaints. Thanks to silly things like a non means tested child benefit.

Personally I will either not vote (dont see the point as stronghold labour area on crappy fptp system) or will vote lib dem.

To be brunt the tories are the party for the people who only care about the cash in their own pocket as they love tax cuts. Since its not really a sellable policy as people will know savage spending cuts have to be made to fund tax cuts then the tories just concentrate on discrediting the opposition instead.

eg. they attack labour on youth unemployment yet are planning to cut funding for youth training and apprenticeship schemes.
they attack on the gap between rich and poor and will cut inheritance tax for the rich.
they attack on the running of the economy but plan to cut investment in the public sector very severely which will only increase unmemployment.
they attack on the how labour handling of the banks yet the tories for short term gains plan to sell those shares on the cheap. Guess who will snap most of them up.
they claim they will get people on incapacity benefit back into work, the truth is they will just unconditionally cut their income and leave them to rot after that.
if I was a multi miilionaire who owned tons of land yep I want the tories in power, I cant think of what they will do for the average working class tho.

I don't trust the Tories as far as I could throw a stone.

Interest rates will rise (great if you have a low mortgage or no mortgage at all, or a few bob in the bank)

Higher taxes for the working classes, plus lower taxes for the well off. ( I have no doubt that the 50% tax for the well off will be expunged after a few months of tory rule, should they be elected).

Unless Mr Cameron can convince me that he can see a way forward for this country with a very convincing mandate, then my vote will go elsewhere.

[Welshchris]

I think its about time we as a nation stopped the voting system being a 2 party system and give someone else a chance. At the end of the things cant get much worse than what they r already getting.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by yesman

Interest rates will rise (great if you have a low mortgage or no mortgage at all, or a few bob in the bank)

Err interest rates are used to control inflation. When the economy starts working again interest rate rises will be required from whomever is in power to avoid inflation going too high. It has already burst upwards this year and interest rates would likely have already gone up if they weren't being held down to try and stimulate the economy. Mortgage costs and savings rates are not a significant driver for interest rates, it's the larger effects on the economy that are caused. It's not done purely to spite 'working class' people with big mortgages and no savings.

Higher taxes for the working classes, plus lower taxes for the well off. ( I have no doubt that the 50% tax for the well off will be expunged after a few months of tory rule, should they be elected).

You mean like their evil, and actually announced as opposed to the assumed one in your statement above, plan to take money away from the working classes by raising the threshold of Labour's NI increase from 10k to 45k. Big time sting for the 'working classes' that one.

Unless Mr Cameron can convince me that he can see a way forward for this country with a very convincing mandate, then my vote will go elsewhere.

Use of the phrase 'working class' usually indicates where someone sits on this particular fence. That and the baseless view that the Tories will take all the money from lower income earners and give it to the rich along with raising interest rates purely to spite those same lower income people.

There are a lot of things that one can be critical of the Tories over. This view that they want to take all the money way from the 'working classes' isn't one of them. There isn't any evidence to support that point of view at the moment, the opposite if anything is the case.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

I think its about time we as a nation stopped the voting system being a 2 party system and give someone else a chance. At the end of the things cant get much worse than what they r already getting.

A hung parliamant certianly would be interesting, get vince cable some say.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

You did read this policy somewhere beyond the Labour party's response, right? It was about offering shares to people at a discount. Many of those who aren't super rich would snap these up, would be a good use of their savings. The super rich wouldn't get rights to any more shares than anyone else.

Those who aren't able to benefit from this as they simply can't afford to living from pay cheque to pay cheque would probably welcome not having 1% stuck onto their NI by next year's increase.

Dont get me wrong, labour have made some poor decisions. Its just the tories have said nothing to convince me thats positive, this is a combination of both announcing a few poor policies and spending a lot of their time attacking labour instead of telling the voters what they plan to do. The tories have told us what labour have done wrong but they havent said what they will do instead, the lib dems havent had a problem laying out policies.

Also modern day labour and especially when they were under blair are much more right wing than traditional labour.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Also modern day labour and especially when they were under blair are much more right wing than traditional labour.

Though evidently not fiscally much more right wing beyond lining their own pockets given they spend tax payers' money and indeed mortgage the tax payer just like traditional Labour.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

The tories have told us what labour have done wrong but they havent said what they will do instead, the lib dems havent had a problem laying out policies.

New Labour haven't told us much about what they're going to do either and given the fictional content of their previous manifestos I wouldn't believe anything they say now anyway. It's a lot easier to spell out 'policies' when your only realistic chance of power is some form of hastily arranged deal in a hung parliament.

I heard a leading Lib-Dem spokesman (can't recall his name) being interviewed about the prospects for a hung parliament on the BBC a week or two ago. As proponents of proportional representation it was suggested to him that they really then ought to be siding with the party that wins most votes as opposed to the party with most seats. Despite being pressed for an answer quite a few times he refused to answer and dodged the question...

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This may already have been mentioned but apparently New Labour's latest poster warns that the Tories will take us back to the 1980's. That's a bit rich coming form the party whose economic ineptitiude has virtually taken us back to the 1930's..

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...15592264?f=rss

Two quite clever (imho) posters on the BBC website

First, the Labour poster


Then, the Tory riposte

[Derek]

Comparing Dave to a popular TV character? Personally it would make it more likely for me to vote for him.

[Osem]

This version's brilliant:



Haven't laughed so much in ages!

[Ignitionnet]

Attack, parry, riposte touché. Point.