Barry George did not kill Jill Dando

[Russ]

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

It was on a street, im looking out of my window now, I cant see anyone..

If someone was passing, or looking out, and they saw a dead body what do you reckon they'd do?

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Do you know what a gun sounds like? If you hear a loud crack would you go outside etc? I hear bangs all the time here I never even get off my sofa (and there have been 2 shootings within 100m of my house in the last 2 years) its usually a car or fireworks etc

Again if someone was passing, they'd notice.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

A complete stranger walking briskly down a road....

No idea what you're on about there.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Even putting the bottom 2 together it was a nice area of London, you wouldnt pay any attention.

YOU might not...

[WHISTLED]

If someone was passing, or looking out, and they saw a dead body what do you reckon they'd do?

Exactly what they did do when the body was discovered - Call the police?

I dont know what your debating any more Russ sorry, your point was that he wouldnt be able to make a successful escape or cover his tracks as he isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer etc.

Now your talking about a completeley differnet scenario from that which happened, people were not on the street immediately to see the body or the murderer walking away, people didnt look out and see him or the body. Probably for the reasons I detailed (although people did report hearing it and people did see a suspicious man earlier)

People never expect a shooting on their street, people dont assume a running or nervous looking man is guilty of anything other than being late.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Exactly what they did do when the body was discovered - Call the police?

Yes exactly, and he risked that happening in broad daylight and made good his escape. That's either incredible luck or it was well planned, and I don't do 'luck'.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

I dont know what your debating any more Russ sorry, your point was that he wouldnt be able to make a successful escape or cover his tracks as he isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer etc.

I didn't say he wouldn't, I simply repeated one of the ongoing theories.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Now your talking about a completeley differnet scenario from that which happened, people were not on the street immediately to see the body or the murderer walking away, people didnt look out and see him or the body.

Which again either indicates incredible luck or a well-detailed plan.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

People never expect a shooting on their street, people dont assume a running or nervous looking man is guilty of anything other than being late.

I didn't say a "running or nervous looking man". I said the local nutter (it seems as if almost everyone in the area knew of him) leaving in a no-doubt aggitated state.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes exactly, and he risked that happening in broad daylight and made good his escape. That's either incredible luck or it was well planned, and I don't do 'luck'.

The body wasn't hidden in any way, a 'planned' killer would no doubt have done this even if in a cack-handed manner. Assuming there was no-one in the street at the immediate time you'll have a few minutes before someone walks past or a suspicious neighbour comes out to do their nosy.
From then you'll have a bit longer for them to go back in a make a 999 call (10 years ago remember, mobiles weren't as common as today) then another 5-10 minutes at least for a cop car/ambulance to make it to the scene then let their control rooms know whats happening.
It would be fairly simple for 30 minutes + to pass before any descriptions of suspects etc. are broadcast.
How far could you make it in 30 minutes if you are in an area you know well, even in a panic?

[WHISTLED]

If I recall she had been shopping previously so the time she returned home was not on any typical schedule. Even if this wasnt correct and she returned home at the same time every day you couldnt 'plan' that there would be no-one on the street or that no-one would look out of the window.

Even the best made plan would ultimately be 100% dependant on luck as far as making the escape without being observed. Anyone can shoot someone in the back of the head.

It was a shooting in broad daylight on a suburban street - As Derek suggested it was far from well executed

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Oh give us a break...totally off topic and rather unpleasant of you to drag your obsession into this thread about the murder of a fellow human being.

I used to work for a guy who got speeding tickets all over the country, his brother in law was a detective and no matter where the offence occured he could make the ticket disappear by passing a brown envelope down the line, hell, he used to have me hand the envelope over to his brother in law when it was his day off. My gaffer used to have a saying as he was going out of the office, “I'm just going out to get another speeding ticket�, laughs all round. The fact that no matter where in the country he got caught and was able to fix things made me see how widespread the corruption was. I can't recall just how many times he beat the system but it was a hell of a lot of times. Eventually the scam failed and he spent 6 months riding into the office on a bicycle. Shortly afterwards his brother in law was suspended and after about 2 years he was offered the choice of resigning or facing court on corruption charges, he resigned. I never did find out what the police actually caught him out on, but afterwards he came to work with us, until the place closed down.

[WHISTLED]

I used to work for a guy who got speeding tickets all over the country, his brother in law was a detective and no matter where the offence occured he could make the ticket disappear by passing a brown envelope down the line, hell, he used to have me hand the envelope over to his brother in law when it was his day off. My gaffer used to have a saying as he was going out of the office, “I'm just going out to get another speeding ticket”, laughs all round. The fact that no matter where in the country he got caught and was able to fix things made me see how widespread the corruption was. I can't recall just how many times he beat the system but it was a hell of a lot of times. Eventually the scam failed and he spent 6 months riding into the office on a bicycle. Shortly afterwards his brother in law was suspended and after about 2 years he was offered the choice of resigning or facing court on corruption charges, he resigned. I never did find out what the police actually caught him out on, but afterwards he came to work with us, until the place closed down.

Whats that got to do with this thread?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Whats that got to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing, some people just use any excuse to have a dig at the Police.

Anyway I'm off now to spend a nightshift being fat, lazy, stupid, power-crazed, corrupt and generally ignoring any rapists and murderers I might find so I can give someone a ticket for going 1MPH over the limit.

Try to keep the thread on-topic over the next few hours.

[WHISTLED]

Anyway I'm off now to spend a nightshift being fat, lazy, stupid, power-crazed, corrupt and generally ignoring any rapists and murderers I might find

You just described me?!

[slowcoach]

The big thing in the media at the time was a well dressed man seen hurrying away and also a Range Rover speeding away, no mention at that time of anyone seeing Barry George, a character who everyone seemed to know.
The woman who phoned in reporting finding the body didn't see anything apart from the body, which she said she thought was Jill Dando.

Originally Posted by slowcoach

I used to work for a guy who got speeding tickets all over the country, his brother in law was a detective and no matter where the offence occured he could make the ticket disappear by passing a brown envelope down the line, hell, he used to have me hand the envelope over to his brother in law when it was his day off. My gaffer used to have a saying as he was going out of the office, “I'm just going out to get another speeding ticket�, laughs all round. The fact that no matter where in the country he got caught and was able to fix things made me see how widespread the corruption was. I can't recall just how many times he beat the system but it was a hell of a lot of times. Eventually the scam failed and he spent 6 months riding into the office on a bicycle. Shortly afterwards his brother in law was suspended and after about 2 years he was offered the choice of resigning or facing court on corruption charges, he resigned. I never did find out what the police actually caught him out on, but afterwards he came to work with us, until the place closed down.

Never the less this has absolutely nothing do do with Jill Dando's murder.

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Never the less this has absolutely nothing do do with Jill Dando's murder.

Both have to do with corruption, grabbing the village idiot and putting him in the frame because it's an easy way out, to me is more corrupt than taking a bribe.

Personally I have never had any bad experiences with the police, on the odd occasion I have been caught speeding I was bang to rights and accepted it. When I caught a bugler who broke into my house one time all the police cars, vans and dog handlers for miles around arrived within minutes surrounding the house, the neighbours couldn't make up their minds if I was the Yorkshire Ripper or if they were making a movie.

So you see I do not have an agenda, but it does make my blood boil when I read of yet another village idiot being, well, framed, as if the poor sods do not have enough trouble just coping with life.

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Both have to do with corruption, grabbing the village idiot and putting him in the frame because it's an easy way out, to me is more corrupt than taking a bribe.
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So you see I do not have an agenda, but it does make my blood boil when I read of yet another village idiot being, well, framed, as if the poor sods do not have enough trouble just coping with life.

Well why didn't you say this instead of ranting about speed limits and driving issues?

Thread title altered - we have the verdict of the court, it cannot be appealed or changed, no need for any question marks.

[sir_drinks_alot]

oh dear he's been in a bit of bother before yet no one seems to have seen the signs that he needed serious psychological help

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-George.html