racism

[Steve H]

I feel offended that certain people have branded others as "Stupid, Single Minded", just because we dont share similar views. Maybe you dont live in a area affected by this, Or maybe you have personal attachments to the affected people.

Regardless - Immigration needs to stop. We're smaller than france, yet accept more immigrants.. Garbage, We Can hardly support the people who live over here, nevermind others.

Onto the term "Paki" being branded as racist.. Thats complete crap. Are they not proud to be packistanis? Its EXACTLY the same as us being called brits.

They Get absoulute preference when its comes to legal arguments, all's they need to do is through the "He's racist" into the debate, and thats it.. Guilty Guilty Guilty.

Anyway, them "Single Minded, stupid people" are entitled to there own views, and if they're the majority.. then they win, Just as the BNP got into power in your Area.. Because they're the majority. And I think people are in for a shock when certain area's of younger people get the power to vote'.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Bifta
Coming from the boy that can barely string a sentence together that actually makes sense (let alone spell most of it correctly) that's probably praise in some form.




Good for you, you object to the BNP, I'll tell you what, when you get to vote, don't vote for them, and try to take on board that the people who believe that the BNP might be good for England (I am not one of these people, I couldn't give a f*ck for any political party in Great Britain, and you wouldn't like the one I vote for over here either) do not need to be dictated to by an illiterate halfwit with an unhealthy tomboy pop obsession.

Got out of the wrong side of bed did you?

[nighthawk]

My views on this.....

Anyone who come to seek asylum in the UK has come here because they are being percicuted in their own country. I have no problem with us helping these people, what i have a problem with is their attitude when they get here. If you chose to seek asylum in the UK then you also chose to live by our laws, just because something was acceptable in their country it doesn't mean it is acceptable here. Lets put it this way, if we were to go to their country would we be allowed to demand Goverment Money for segregated schools & to build our own churches?

Also i believe that a lot of racial tension is created by the Laws of this country because people are scared of the "He is being Racist" claim.

(Not sure of the exact terms, but heres an example)

If i was to walk down the street & be attacked by 5 Black people it would be treated as an Assault case by the courts & the maximum term is 5 years. Now if i was black & was attacked by 5 white people then it would be treated as a Racial Case & the Maximum term is 12 years.

We are being made to feel like second class citizens because of the fear of this "Racist" word. The biggest problem is that people no this, & they use it as an easy get out.

[super saiyan]

Some Interesting articles regarding the BNP and their views

http://www.usdaw.org.uk/equality/fil...tYouDecide.pdf

http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/vi...ws_of_bnp.html

[Niles Crane]

Steven_NTL, your point about the term "Paki" would be valid if they were actually Pakistani. But the fact that the word "Paki" is used to describe anyone of west asian ethnicity kind of blows that out of the water.

I dont see why people are getting so worked up about the BNP, they're just riding off the current anger at Labour. The BNP are actually pretty liberal when it comes to racism and white supremacy. As far as i know, they're actually not very much liked in the neo-nazi fraternity. Combat 18 for example, were created as "bodyguards" for the original BNP but then arguments insued and they broke off.
And lets clear something up about these seats the BNP are winning; they're just local council seats. They dont have any seats or any say in real national matters in the House of Commons. Considering they share council seats with multiple other politicians, they barely have any say where they hold local council seats either.
I doubt the BNP will even win any seats in parliament come next election. Considering the majority of voters stick with their party whatever, whenever then its extremlely unlikely - especially as you must also take into account the larger constituencies and much higher turnout for national elections. And i havent even meantioned the fact that fortunetly most British citizens have common sense.
Seriously, for those of you who vote for the BNP; have you actually read their policies? The ones which arent related to race and immigration aswell?

the articles posted by another user about the BNP are fair comment.
A few issues I would like to raise are :-
How many people can honestly say that at no point in their lives have they ever told a joke that refers to a black man?

Now humour over concentration camps can be appaling, I say this because I have heard one or two jokes and I laughed, because they are jokes, they are not insults to the victims or survivors of the holocaust. And also remember it wasnt just jews that were killed by the Nazis.
If you think that telling a racist joke is bad, what about all the war movies where the nazis were portrayed as docile idiots and were the evil bad men? Did the troops fighting in WW2 not tell jokes about the Nazis? therefor this would brand them racist.....to me its crazy, humour of this nature should never be told to cause offence and I certainly wouldnt tell Irish jokes to an Irish person just as I wouldnt tell concentration camp jokes to a Jewish person.

However just because it isnt your "style" of humour does not simply make it racist.
I personally dont like a lot of comedians, so I dont listen to them.

Anyone that is fundementally against everything the BNP stands for really should not be carrying out investagitive journalism about them.

I do wonder if people are linking the BNP to the NF (National Front).

Also why are the BNP only labelled racist when they also dislike communists?

What I think the problem is too many people relate the BNP to the skinheads, they havent bothered to take the time to research the party and they beleive everyhting thats printed in the papers...well the Sun and the Mirror usually, and you cant get much more left wing than the Mirror or more xenophobic than the sun.

Oh and for the record, I have not voted BNP and I dooubt highly I would, but they do interest me.

[kronas]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001

What I think the problem is too many people relate the BNP to the skinheads, they havent bothered to take the time to research the party and they beleive everyhting thats printed in the papers...well the Sun and the Mirror usually, and you cant get much more left wing than the Mirror or more xenophobic than the sun.

i for one dont think that i have read there other polices and dont like them the disabled peoples policy is one i am against too the fact is i WILL not stand for a party which is designed to drive people out of the country just because they are non whites its just blatantly wrong cant people see who they are what they do the real BNP or believe the crap that they spout when canvasing

Originally posted by kronas
i for one dont think that i have read there other polices and dont like them the disabled peoples policy is one i am against too the fact is i WILL not stand for a party which is designed to drive people out of the country just because they are non whites its just blatantly wrong cant people see who they are what they do the real BNP or believe the crap that they spout when canvasing

Well I have a disabled mother, and I have read some of their policies yes some are down right idiotic but they are about as likely to be able to enact any of their policies as a snow flake has of not melting in hell.
But what anti BNP/anti nazi or whatever they want to be called dont realise is to prevent groups like the BNP prevents democracy. If someone wants to vote BNP it is because the BNP are making policies that the voter agrees with. That will never change, there will always be racists, homophobes, xenophobes, sexists etc etc. Simply stopping them from having a voice isnt the answer it actually is more likely to further their cause.

Just because you think the BNP's policies are crap doesnt mean that Mr Smith 3 doors down thinks the same, Just because you are appalled that they want to be tough on immigration doesnt mean that Mrs miggins that lives next to uncle jimmy thinks the same.
The whole reason that the BNP are gaining local council seats is because people are voting for them, they are exercising their rights to show their contemp/concern/greviances to the central government.
And to be quite brutally honest the way racism is going in this country I can quite understand it. I have been failed once and I do not want to see people getting preferencial treatment because they have darker skin then someone else.

[Niles Crane]

I have no problem with us helping these people, what i have a problem with is their attitude when they get here.

What people? What attitude?

If you chose to seek asylum in the UK then you also chose to live by our laws, just because something was acceptable in their country it doesn't mean it is acceptable here.

Well of course.

Lets put it this way, if we were to go to their country would we be allowed to demand Goverment Money for segregated schools & to build our own churches?

No, we'd murder and enslave the citizens, run the government, segregate the schools, diminish the local culture, preach our own and build our own churches ourselves. Oh wait a moment..........

(Not sure of the exact terms, but heres an example)

If i was to walk down the street & be attacked by 5 Black people it would be treated as an Assault case by the courts & the maximum term is 5 years. Now if i was black & was attacked by 5 white people then it would be treated as a Racial Case & the Maximum term is 12 years.

Thats way too black and white (so to speak) an example, and isnt true. Terms of charges arent just based on colour of skin. What ever you'd like to think, there'd be an investigation and evidence looked over before a charge was made.
If the white being attacked claimed the attackers were racist and there was evidence then the case would be treated as such. And vice versa.
Find me a case of your above example with no other factors involved apart from colour.

We are being made to feel like second class citizens because of the fear of this "Racist" word. The biggest problem is that people no this, & they use it as an easy get out.

Woah, hold on there mate. Pot calling the kettle black anyone? (again, so to speak )
You're using an excuse for being made to feel like a second class citizen while in the same breath complaining about others using your insecurity to an advantage. You only have yourself to blame if you're so insecure that you feel like a second class citizen.

I beleive that too many people have "played" the racist card to further their own interests.
I'm sad to say that most people where i live know if you go to a job interview and theres black people there that theres suddenly only one vacancy instead of two. Doesnt make us racist it means we know that firms have to be carefull they dont get labelled racist. To me thats all wrong.

The point that was made about a white person being assaulted by black people and blacks being assaulted by whites.
Ok the way I see it is that a coloured person will ALWAYS get the racially motivated assault, rather than common assault ( a fault of the CPS not the victim). Therefor the judge has the opportunity to sentence the defendant to 12 years rather than 5 years for what is essentially the same crime.
Thats VERY wrong.

For instance if I walked past a coloured person and he said somehtign I didnt like and I hit him, the CPS will say it was a racially motivated crime. However to me If I walked past him and called him a black ******** and then hit him its a racially motivated crime.
If it the other way around both ways usually are deemed non racial and the charge would be for common assault.

[Russ]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001

For instance if I walked past a coloured person and he said somehtign I didnt like and I hit him, the CPS will say it was a racially motivated crime. However to me If I walked past him and called him a black ******** and then hit him its a racially motivated crime.
If it the other way around both ways usually are deemed non racial and the charge would be for common assault.

Actually I think it would be the police who would treat it as a racially motivated crime. The CPS just act on what is given to them.

Yeah the police would investigate the crime and send the info to the CPS, they then have the choice to say....common assault or racially motivated assault.
They also have the power to drop it.
Normally the police would only make the racism allegation if there was a tape recorded confession or substantial independant evidence.

[Theodoric]

Originally posted by Xaccers
Doesn't Paki actually mean friend?

Some would claim that the 'paki' part comes from the Urdu (or some similar language) for 'pure'. In fact, I believe that it's an acronym for Punjab, something or other and Kashmir. The 'stan' part means something like land or country, as in Baluchistan, Uzbekistan etc.

[aliferste]

Originally posted by Defiant
[B]. do gooders reply no I'm not racist just an Englishmen that's p#ssed off with a government thinking were a continent when were only a small island with our own problems
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[Ramrod]

Originally posted by aliferste


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Well it is true.We should be decreasing our population not increasing it. Have you seen the traffic/housing shortages/overcrowding?