Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As you know, my friend, I don't clutch at straws. I have a definite point of view based on what I might do in similar circumstances.

However, "error of judgement" might be somewhere we could meet on this as there is blurring as to legal interpretation.

What an individual would do in similar circumstances is irrelevant in the law. There was a clear steer in the regulations and government messaging around the broad set of circumstances that applied here.

I'm also not convinced two parents suffering Coronavirus symptoms would have taken a child on a four and a half hour car journey when one of them has a sister nearby in London.

Originally Posted by jfman

I assume the Daily Mail are also clutching at straws? This isn't a remainer conspiracy although it's a cheap and lazy way to dismiss opposing arguments without substantive reply.

I fully expect Dominic Cummings to apologise in some way, expressing an error of judgement and claim to have been acting in good faith. What then? Will he just be lying? Or will he have actually used a sense of perspective notably absent from some on this thread.

What is this incessant obsession with bringing newspapers in to this?

I do not read any newspapers and I do not care what crap is written in any of them. They are all as bad as one another.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

You sticking to the rules, I doubt it, that just doesn't wash with me at all given at times, you struggle to stick to the forums rules.

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It's nothing to do with laziness, it's nothing to do with errors of judgement, he made the right call for his vulnerable son. Thus, no rules broken, despite how many times you erroneously say so.

I'll prefer to await the outcome of any investigation than trust the armchair judgements of those who, in all probability, would defend Cummings at all costs because of his role in Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Mick

What is this incessant obsession with bringing newspapers in to this?

I do not read any newspapers and I do not care what crap is written in any of them. They are all as bad as one another.

It's not an obsession. It's the easiest way to prove its not a remainer conspiracy. I also don't think Steve Baker is part of a remainer conspiracy.

Originally Posted by jfman

I'll prefer to await the outcome of any investigation than trust the armchair judgements of those who, in all probability, would defend Cummings at all costs because of his role in Brexit.

And you're blaming him regardless because of it - stop clutching at straws, the thing you accuse others of doing!

Cummings involvement in Brexit, holds no interest in me, I voted to leave not because Cummings championed it, I voted to leave, to leave a corrupted EU and I would do so again and again without any aid from the Dom.

[jfman]

I'm genuinely not influenced by my position on Brexit I'm more concerned by the credibility of the Government tanking at a time it's important that people trust it - during a public health emergency.

At least we are over Coronavirus being a bad flu though and now it's highly likely to incapacitate adults rendering them incapable of childcare.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

What an individual would do in similar circumstances is irrelevant in the law. There was a clear steer in the regulations and government messaging around the broad set of circumstances that applied here.

I'm also not convinced two parents suffering Coronavirus symptoms would have taken a child on a four and a half hour car journey when one of them has a sister nearby in London.

Now I completely disagree with you. We don't know the exact circumstances like did he try his sister and she couldn't help? Was the state of mind of the child such that leaving him withe sister would have been too upsetting for the child? Was there a conclusion drawn by the Cummings that best bet all round was to go to the farm estate near Durham?

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

[jfman]

Because being closer than 2 metres for more than 15 minutes with someone with Coronavirus is dangerous.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Because being closer than 2 metres for more than 15 minutes with someone with Coronavirus is dangerous.

Is that what happened?

[jfman]

Most people in the same vehicle would be, yes.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

Because as anyone with young children knows, the chance of going that length of time in a car without stopping for the toilet is essentially zero. So one or more members of the travelling party would have been exposed to unsanitised surfaces in public places (and risked spreading contamination themselves) once, or quite possibly multiple times, during the trip.

Originally Posted by jfman

Most people in the same vehicle would be, yes.

But they are from the same household. Jeez. So that does not matter!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

But they are from the same household. Jeez. So that does not matter!

He can't say it's a legitimate health concern for a vulnerable child though

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

You sticking to the rules, I doubt it, that just doesn't wash with me at all given at times, you struggle to stick to the forums rules. [COL.

The breaking of the ever flexible forum rules isn't going to kill anybody. This virus can.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Now I completely disagree with you. We don't know the exact circumstances like did he try his sister and she couldn't help? Was the state of mind of the child such that leaving him withe sister would have been too upsetting for the child? Was there a conclusion drawn by the Cummings that best bet all round was to go to the farm estate near Durham?

The 4½ hour journey is neither here nor there; one hour? two hours? three hours? 260 miles. Why bring the distance into it?

Because the longer the distance the greater percentage of needing garages, service stations, emergency services and breakdown services. That was one of the reasons for the stay at home message.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes and we all know why you think he is automatically guilty don't we?

He broke no rules because he was safeguarding his son - thus, he did nothing wrong.

It's none of your business who he chose to look after his son. That decision is his and not yours, how dare you decide who should look after his son, mind your own business. You would not tolerate somebody dictating to you what to do with your family, so do not tell others what or how they should manage with theirs when you do not know of their personal circumstances, in particular the childs health.

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Exactly OB - some people need to open their bloody eyes FFS.

Think you've hit the nail on the head there Mick. Most of us have been tolerating someone dictating to us what we can and more importantly can not do with our family. Hence the (deserved) outcry when someone who should make sure their actions means they are above criticism seems to come across with an almost arrogant contempt for the rest of us. You can spin it as much as you want but the Government are now fighting a loosing case in the court of public opinion.