Unstoppable migration?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Some evidence

To be fair I wasn't denying that, that was mentioned in the article I linked too.

[Osem]

Chaos has broken out on the Greek island of Kos amid attempts to relocate hundreds of migrants to a football stadium for registration.

Police officers used batons and sprayed fire extinguishers as they tried to impose order on the crowds.

It comes after an officer on Kos was suspended for slapping one man while brandishing a knife.

Authorities are struggling with a rapidly growing number of migrants who have arrived hoping for a better life.

Many migrants and refugees have been camping alongside roads and beaches on the Aegean island, a popular tourist destination.


But an attempt relocate hundreds of people to a stadium for registration on Tuesday degenerated into chaos, with scuffles breaking out in the long queues.

"The situation on the island is out of control," Kos mayor Giorgos Kiritsis told the Greek news agency ANA. "There is a real danger that blood will be shed."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33861290

And it's only going to get worse unless something is done to stop the flow of economic migrants.

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33861290

And it's only going to get worse unless something is done to stop the flow of economic migrants.

I think they're coming from Syria.

[Osem]

Some will be yes, how many, who knows? The point is not where they're coming from but the numbers are such that they swamping local services and resentment is building. Clearly the numbers in Calais are tiny compared to places like Italy and Greece but it's only a matter of time before they increase as the build-up elsewhere in Europe is released. By waiting for this to happen we are simply storing up more problems and giving the impression that is you try hard enough for long enough you'll get in which simply encourages more people to risk their lives trying the same thing. There's no simple solution but more aid needs to be diverted to problem areas to help those refugees from Syria and the like who can't help themselves.

IMHO tough action will soon or later be required in order deal with inevitable social unrest and to stem the flow of migrants. Avoiding this issue will simply make matters worse and the outcome more difficult.

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This beggars belief:

A man who tricked high-ranking judges into thinking he was a solicitor has been sentenced to 16 months in prison.

Birmingham Crown Court heard Mohammed Kabba falsely claimed to be a lawyer and intervened in an immigration case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-33908493

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

IMHO tough action will soon or later be required in order deal with inevitable social unrest and to stem the flow of migrants. Avoiding this issue will simply make matters worse and the outcome more difficult.

With migrants taking upto 3/4 of the new jobs here that will also cause a rise in resentment

This beggars belief:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-33908493

Mohammed Kabba is a Sierra Leone national with indefinite leave to remain in the UK, police said

Deport the bugger.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think they're coming from Syria.

The authorities have been struggling to deal with the increasing numbers of migrants arriving on boats and rubber dinghies from nearby Turkey.

Mukhtar, a Somali migrant who arrived further north, on the island of Lesbos, said he had made his way to Greece in an effort to get to Norway where his family lives.

Just the short crossing from Turkey to Lesbos costs 'approximately $500' said Sajid, a migrant from Afghanistan.

On Kos, local residents and hotel employees watched unfazed on Sunday as a dozen Pakistani migrants punctured their life raft and gathered their belongings as soon as they landed, and asked for directions to the nearest migrant detention centre.

Obviously there may be a handful of ones from other countries.

The UNHCR says nearly all new arrivals in Greece are refugees from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also they all arrive from Turkey because they travel up though it. However doesn't mean they're from Turkey.

[Osem]

The trouble is migrants can claim to be from anywhere and concoct any story they like about their reasons for leaving. There are millions of displaced Syrians and others from around the globe who want to go elsewhere and wouldn't want to return home if they could find a better life in Europe. Given that being deemed an economic migrant will tend to preclude someone from being granted asylum who on Earth is going to travel all that way and admit that's what they are? Economic migrants aside, if the numbers of genuine refugees continues to increase then we're going to have a similar problem with them, albeit for different and understandable reasons.

Originally Posted by Osem

The trouble is migrants can claim to be from anywhere and concoct any story they like about their reasons for leaving. There are millions of displaced Syrians and others from around the globe who want to go elsewhere and wouldn't want to return home if they could find a better life in Europe. Given that being deemed an economic migrant will tend to preclude someone from being granted asylum who on Earth is going to travel all that way and admit that's what they are? Economic migrants aside, if the numbers of genuine refugees continues to increase then we're going to have a similar problem with them, albeit for different and understandable reasons.

I don't know enough about it to be honest. For example how many people are economic migrants using the cover of asylum? Is that a serious problem or doesn't it occur much? It's probably hard to measure for obvious reasons.

This is a good article on the roots they're taking and where they tend up: http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...ist-explains-6

This too: http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...88-those-peril

[Taf]

6 "middle eastern looking" blokes taken away in 'cuffs from a house near us. The second time in a few months.

But this time they also took away the "single mother asylum seeker" that is supposed to be alone in the 3 bedroom house with her 3 kids.

Their direct neighbour reported "strange men" coming and going at odd hours for months.

[Pierre]

It's a European issue that needs a proper European solution. But as usual everybody is playing it off each other.

We think we've got an issue with a few 10's or hundreds getting through the Chunnel or from backs of wagons. Kos, and I was there last year before this all kicked off, are getting thousands turning up.

All European nations need to set up a task force of naval vessels and reception centres, like Australia did. It's the only way short term.

Long term, sort out Syria, Libya, Somalia etc.

[Osem]

What do Calais migrants know about the UK?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33907741

'English mafia' engaged in trafficking migrants:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33909698

Well it's not exactly a surprise that ******* criminals from this side of the water might be profiting from this misery. Still, I'd quite like to know who these 'English Mafia' are.

[Osem]

UK and France to agree deal on Calais migrants on Thursday, including new measures to strengthen tunnel security and deal with human trafficking

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33982018

This'll be interesting...

[TheDaddy]

and this man wants to be mayor

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a2871701.html

I really thought I couldn't think him more of an idiot after his appearance on Mastermind, I was wrong

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33982018

This'll be interesting...

We cannot reward illegal attempts to gain access to the UK. We need to break the people trafficking networks and send these people back to where they came from if economic migrants and welcome them if genuine refugees.