Post-Brexit Thread

[pip08456]

May would've gone to the US no mattter who had won the election.

Mr K called nothing right.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

May would've gone to the US no mattter who had won the election.

Mr K called nothing right.

She's only PM because David Cameron lost the Brexit vote. If he'd won she'd still be home secretary and missing her targets on immigration.
I doubt David Cameron would have felt the need to hotfoot it over to the US until Trump's mode of operating was better known.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

She's only PM because David Cameron lost the Brexit vote. If he'd won she'd still be home secretary and missing her targets on immigration.
I doubt David Cameron would have felt the need to hotfoot it over to the US until Trump's mode of operating was better known.

What's that got to do with the price of bread?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

She's only PM because David Cameron lost the Brexit vote. If he'd won she'd still be home secretary and missing her targets on immigration.
I doubt David Cameron would have felt the need to hotfoot it over to the US until Trump's mode of operating was better known.

If, as soon as you throw if into a discussion you are dealing in the realm of fantasy and not reality.

The above is a waste of finger tapping energy.

Making a trade deal and maintaining good relations with the US is now a bad thing thank god i don't get all self righteous like the twitter crowd and think i know how things should be run. Trump will be president at most for eight years our relations with the US will last significantly longer then that and will benefit us as well as them. To be honest I'm glad cameron lost he showed what an utter coward he was after losing throwing a strop and quitting because things didn't go his way oh yeah we were so much better off with him as PM weren't we i mean he was so respected internationally .

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Making a trade deal and maintaining good relations with the US is now a bad thing thank god i don't get all self righteous like the twitter crowd and think i know how things should be run. Trump will be president at most for eight years our relations with the US will last significantly longer then that and will benefit us as well as them. To be honest I'm glad cameron lost he showed what an utter coward he was after losing throwing a strop and quitting because things didn't go his way oh yeah we were so much better off with him as PM weren't we i mean he was so respected internationally .

To be fair he wasn't he only one who ran away..

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Mr K's called this one right.
A key reason for Theresa May going to the US was for trade. Firstly, to enhance her bargaining position with the EU by having other countries lined up to take the place of the 440m population EU 27 market. Secondly, in the realisation of the need to establish more options if a good deal with the EU is not concluded.
Theresa May knows that she's dealing with fire but as has been pointed out, she doesn't have too many options and hence decided to take a risk with Trump.

I agree. May's hard Brexit gamble depends on good trade deals and she went to see Trump in the hope that she would be favoured when the eventual trade deal is struck. This is probably why she, against her better personal and political instincts, kept quiet when asked to comment on the Muslim ban.

Trump's "America First" position on trade:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-dea...-all-americans

will mean that when it comes to any deal, if there is a conflict between advantaging the UK over the US then this deal will not happen. Trump's approach to US Trade is a protectionist one and that would, by its very nature, means the UK has poor odds of coming out of this in a better position.

Brexiteers – read the 'Trump Trade Doctrine' and weep. A trade deal with Trump will harm Britain

[1andrew1]

I get that some may not appreciate the visit to Trump and Brexit link. Here's a great article that explains things better than me. Everyone can access it in full by Googling the headline.

Donald Trump is a disaster for Brexit
The election of Mr Trump has transformed Brexit from a risky decision into a straightforward disaster. For the past 40 years, Britain has had two central pillars to its foreign policy: membership of the EU and a “special relationship” with the US.
The decision to exit the EU leaves Britain much more dependent on the US, just at a time when America has elected an unstable president opposed to most of the central propositions on which UK foreign policy is based.
Were it not for Brexit — a cause that Mr Johnson enthusiastically championed — the UK government would be able to take an appropriately wary approach to Mr Trump. If Britain had voted to stay inside the EU, the obvious response to the arrival of a pro-Russia protectionist in the Oval Office would be to draw closer to its European allies.
https://www.ft.com/content/fde7616a-...b-c88452263daf

[Osem]

So it appears Cameron was so convinced about the power of his pro-EU argument that he tried to have the Daily Mail's editor sacked:

The proprietor of the Daily Mail told its editor that David Cameron pressed for him to be sacked during the EU referendum, BBC Newsnight has learned.
Lord Rothermere told Paul Dacre the prime minister urged him to rein in his pro-Brexit editor, then suggested he sack him, a source told the BBC.
The Mail mounted a vociferous campaign for Brexit in the run up to the vote.
A spokesman for Mr Cameron said he "did not believe he could determine who edits the Daily Mail".
The disclosure casts fresh light on one of the most bitter personal enmities of the Brexit campaign.
Newsnight understands the prime minister personally tried to persuade Mr Dacre to "cut him some slack" in a private meeting in his No 10 Downing Street flat on 2 February, the day European Council President Donald Tusk unveiled details of the deal negotiated by Mr Cameron for the UK.
Mr Dacre told Mr Cameron he would not temper his editorial line on Brexit because he had been a committed Eurosceptic for more than 25 years and believed his readers were too.
In early March, Mr Dacre was told by a Westminster source that the prime minister had tried to persuade Lord Rothermere, a strong supporter of the UK remaining in the EU, to sack him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

So it appears Cameron was so convinced about the power of his pro-EU argument that he tried to have the Daily Mail's editor sacked:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692

Dave wasn't all bad then ! Dacre and his paper are pure evil, they showcase the worst of the UK and pander to the worst bigoted people.

Rather stupid thing to do. I don't like Darce but Rothermere was right to reject the absurd request. Although not directly relevant it also shows why the new press regulation proposals should be rejected, the government shouldn't be anywhere near the press.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Dave wasn't all bad then ! Dacre and his paper are pure evil, they showcase the worst of the UK and pander to the worst bigoted people.

Brexit is happening end of but as for the Daily Mail well the less said about that obnoxious and highly offensive rag the better IMO.

[Gavin78]

I don't think Trump is that bad. he's going guns blazing at the min but I think things will settle down. Every president that has had power in the first 6 months or so has caused a wave of people to protest and moan etc.

Look at Obama did't people take a chunk out of him over people losing their homes?

I think Trump will look after the UK. for me the EU is a dead duck it only looks after itself even as a member we were always an outsider

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Brexit is happening end of but as for the Daily Mail well the less said about that obnoxious and highly offensive rag the better IMO.

two avid beano readers complimenting each other its a kodak moment

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Rather stupid thing to do. I don't like Darce but Rothermere was right to reject the absurd request. Although not directly relevant it also shows why the new press regulation proposals should be rejected, the government shouldn't be anywhere near the press.

Correct and like Cameron, Rothermere is pro-EU. It's an almost unbelievably stupid thing to do which ought to make anyone wonder just what was going on in Cameron's head and what pressures were being brought to bear on him at the time.

People can sneer all they like about the newspaper but that's missing what ought to be the main point which is a serving PM trying to get a newspaper editor fired simply because of his stance on the EU. Maybe they think that's OK because they don't like the newspaper.