Post-Brexit Thread

[techguyone]

And it could all have been avoided if Cameron had simply had the referendum to be legally binding rather than advisory. Anyone would think they didn't expect the outcome :O

I'm afraid i agree her intent was delay not some lofty value of democracy and the hope that the inherent bias towards remaining within parliament would deliver her the outcome she now desires the overturning of the referendum. Also as Chris said the vast majority of leave voters were very clear on what they were voting for complete and total exit from the EU and all it entails. There is no lack of understanding amongst leave voters on what they were voting for in fact it's the remainers that don't seem to understand the current situation with their demands for deals to be done so that we retain access to this and that demonstrating they don't understand the rules of the very organisation they are so in favour of.

Your quite fond of saying how certain people didn't understand what they were voting for Marty perhaps you were the one who wasn't sure as I haven't met anyone either in person or on the net who voted leave and didn't both know and understand what they voted for. While there have been idiots on the brexit side there are plenty on the remain side as well at least we leave voters have the excuse of lower education levels not sure what excuse the better educated remainers have.

Originally Posted by techguyone

And it could all have been avoided if Cameron had simply had the referendum to be legally binding rather than advisory. Anyone would think they didn't expect the outcome :O

That would have made little difference. Parliament can't bind itself; there is no law it can make that it can't subsequently change. The referendum act might perhaps have included provisions specifically authorising the triggering of A50, and that might have been neater, but it still wouldn't have been binding on parliament and we would by now most likely have court cases seeking to exploit other aspects of the process instead.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

.If you truly believe that she achieved nothing then you are another brexiter that didn't know what they voted for.

I know exactly what I voted for. I've stated it on here plenty of times. I voted remain - we lost.

I voted to remain because I didn't think leaving with some halfarsed deal like Norway or whoever was worth the grief. There is no point in some halfway house still being tied to free movement, the ECJ, having terms dictated to you.

However, now we voted leave I am of the opinion we leave, with a full on full fat Brexit, ( some thing I've stated on here several times also)

I am in complete agreement with the PM, we leave then negotiate our deal.

Perhaps you can tell me how Ms Miller action has or will alter:

A) the time line of triggering article 50
B) the outcome of triggering article 50

If the answer is, nothing and nothing, then yes sorry you're right, she has achieved a great deal.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by martyh

All she did was return Democracy to the people

Haha funny! No no no no no no no.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

And it could all have been avoided if Cameron had simply had the referendum to be legally binding rather than advisory. Anyone would think they didn't expect the outcome :O

It's typical of those who believe they always know best. They believed they would simply be going through the motions and we'd be too scared to vote the wrong way but it backfired. The trouble is people like that never seem to learn, they're still trying to tell us we didn't really know what we were voting for.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by martyh

there were plenty of people on here baying for her blood because they thought she was trying to reverse the result

Let's face it, that is/was her ultimate aim

[Mr K]

Look where Brexit has got us. Having to kowtow to Trump when the rest of the world is denouncing him, because we are now utterly dependent on the racist nutter.

[pip08456]

Brexit has nothing to do with Trump.

Nice try Mr K

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Brexit has nothing to do with Trump.

It does now.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It does now.

How so?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

How so?

see post #3969 (trading partners - lack of options hint, hint...)

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

see post #3969 (trading partners - lack of options hint, hint...)

Still has nothing to do with Brexit unless you are inferring Brexit had influence on the US election.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Still has nothing to do with Brexit unless you are inferring Brexit had influence on the US election.

Mr K's called this one right.
A key reason for Theresa May going to the US was for trade. Firstly, to enhance her bargaining position with the EU by having other countries lined up to take the place of the 440m population EU 27 market. Secondly, in the realisation of the need to establish more options if a good deal with the EU is not concluded.
Theresa May knows that she's dealing with fire but as has been pointed out, she doesn't have too many options and hence decided to take a risk with Trump.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

see post #3969 (trading partners - lack of options hint, hint...)

We make trade deals with countries not presidents, there's no guarantee he'll be in office by the time we leave the EU.