The anyone but England thread! - Page 25

pedantic · 19-06-2006, 01:54

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Don't forget I also support a Welsh team

And surely the most popular in Wales.

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The difference is I don't object to, say Arsenal getting loads of coverage when they win something (if anyone can remember those days

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No matter what Wales do, none of our teams will get the same level of coverage.

Probably right there, but the "supply and demand" press rule, dictate where the "best coverage" will be unfortunately.

Russ · 19-06-2006, 08:18

And as for as long as that is the case, I will object to it.

SlackDad · 19-06-2006, 08:41

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And as for as long as that is the case, I will object to it.

Are there not good quality regional papers in your area that have good national coverage? The Scotsman and Daily Record in Scotland surely do not cover England with such fervour.

Russ · 19-06-2006, 09:12

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Are there not good quality regional papers in your area that have good national coverage? The Scotsman and Daily Record in Scotland surely do not cover England with such fervour.

No there aren't. The closest we have is the Western Mail but it's not my type of paper. Even if there was a Welsh equivalent of the Scotsman we still have the issue of tv coverage too. A percentage of our BBC output is dedicated to Wales but the rest still goes overboard when England win. I pay my licence fee just like anyone else so I don't expect my national team to be swept aside in favour of a story on who England are playing!

SlackDad · 19-06-2006, 09:30

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No there aren't. The closest we have is the Western Mail but it's not my type of paper. Even if there was a Welsh equivalent of the Scotsman we still have the issue of tv coverage too. A percentage of our BBC output is dedicated to Wales but the rest still goes overboard when England win. I pay my licence fee just like anyone else so I don't expect my national team to be swept aside in favour of a story on who England are playing!

I guess it's a case of you can't please all the people all the time. This reminds me a bit of BBC Look East in my area where there is a constant complaint that the coverage is Norwich City biased over Ipswich Town.

It must be true that if Wales were in the World Cup then the coverage would be more representative. Moreover - and I'm not being funny - but if the Welsh team had the same level of players and expectation as the England team then the coverage would be more level IMO.

Russ · 19-06-2006, 09:35

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I guess it's a case of you can't please all the people all the time.

It's more a case of "we don't want to please all the people".

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It must be true that if Wales were in the World Cup then the coverage would be more representative. Moreover - and I'm not being funny - but if the Welsh team had the same level of players and expectation as the England team then the coverage would be more level IMO.

That's a possibilty but it's still not fair and equal reporting though is it? That's what I object to. When all the home nations play, regardless of who or what England are doing, I want to hear about Wales first. The national news is just that - national.

SlackDad · 19-06-2006, 10:07

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It's more a case of "we don't want to please all the people".

That's a possibilty but it's still not fair and equal reporting though is it? That's what I object to. When all the home nations play, regardless of who or what England are doing, I want to hear about Wales first. The national news is just that - national.

But if national means the UK the team which is in the most important competition or doing the best should by rights be reported on first, regardless of who this is. If England had not qualified for the World Cup but Wales, Scotland, or NI had then I'm sure the coverage would have been extensive.
If you mean national to mean Wales then I agree with you that national coverage should focus on Welsh teams. Does this not happen at all, with Welsh news editions?

Russ · 19-06-2006, 12:30

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But if national means the UK the team which is in the most important competition or doing the best should by rights be reported on first, regardless of who this is.

So are you saying that on any given day when the home nations are playing World Cup or European qualifiers England should automatically be given preference?

As far as I'm concerned if they're all playing in the same tournament or at the same stage the coverage should be equal.

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If England had not qualified for the World Cup but Wales, Scotland, or NI had then I'm sure the coverage would have been extensive

You really believe that?

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If you mean national to mean Wales then I agree with you that national coverage should focus on Welsh teams. Does this not happen at all, with Welsh news editions?

With some papers yes.

Flobajob · 19-06-2006, 13:46

I think the media should cater more for the majority in the British Isles, everyone knows that Scotland and Wales will never have a hope in hell of getting anywhere in the World Cup so no-one's interested in hearing about them.

Russ · 19-06-2006, 13:49

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I think the media should cater more for the majority in the British Isles, everyone knows that Scotland and Wales will never have a hope in hell of getting anywhere in the World Cup so no-one's interested in hearing about them.

You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again

TheDaddy · 19-06-2006, 13:52

Can we get back to the insults and childish one up man ship please

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You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again

Thank you

punky · 19-06-2006, 13:54

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As far as I'm concerned if they're all playing in the same tournament or at the same stage the coverage should be equal.

Fair enough, but considering 84% of the UK is English, with 50m as opposed to 3m in Wales and 5m in Scotland. Time is tight and so the majority would have to be catered for. TV coverage etc is a business like any other. I imagine the Angolan population in the UK is pretty small which is why they don't get much coverage here. Anyone showing a English game will get a much bigger slice of the pie due to the population size, than someone showing a Welsh/Scottish game.

Russ · 19-06-2006, 13:59

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Can we get back to the insults and childish one up man ship please

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Thank you

I didn't say the PMs will come from me...! My style is a bit more obvious, I wouldn't take it to PM

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Fair enough, but considering 84% of the UK is English, with 50m as opposed to 3m in Wales and 5m in Scotland. Time is tight and so the majority would have to be catered for. TV coverage etc is a business like any other. I imagine the Angolan population in the UK is pretty small which is why they don't get much coverage here. Anyone showing a English game will get a much bigger slice of the pie due to the population size, than someone showing a Welsh/Scottish game.

And that is why threads like this will appear along with anti-English sentiments when it comes to sport. Sod the little guy, let's just keep the majority happy.

Possibly the only time political correctness goes out of the window eh

Flobajob · 19-06-2006, 14:02

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You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again

No-one's saying that we're going to win the world cup, the point is, we have a far better team than Wales or Scotland (to be fair, even our local under 5's team could outplay the Welsh national side) and the majority of people in the UK are ENGLISH and are far more interested in hearing about their own team rather than one's that didn't have the skill to even qualify.

punky · 19-06-2006, 14:08

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And that is why threads like this will appear along with anti-English sentiments when it comes to sport. Sod the little guy, let's just keep the majority happy.

Possibly the only time political correctness goes out of the window eh

Not so much, sod the little guy, but sod everyone. Companies have to look after themselves first and foremost.

May seem harsh, but there's not a lot you can do about it. Broadcasting companies pay a lot of money for rights and they need to earn the maximum sum possible for the biggest return. Nationality doesn't come into it. The only language understood isn't English or Welsh, but money.

Anyway, if it did happen and the BBC had the rights to them all and all 4 we're playing simultaneously, they'd be nothing to argue over as BBC1 would show the England game, BB1 Wales woudl show the Welsh game, etc...

Also, I seem to recall when two countries in the UK are playing simultaneously on Sky, Sky have screened both matches.