European Terror Attacks

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

So why have you not put them in your window? Maybe set up a Facebook page and forward it to everyone you know? It'll soon get around plus you'll be doing your bit, if everyone did the same it'll soon get noticed.



I'm just suggesting they practise what they preach (pun unintended) if they feel so strongly about this.

I mean I'm obviously not calling people cowardly but you'd have thought there'd be no issues with doing something like that right?

Because firstly I've never called for the media or anyone else for that matter to re print them and secondly I don't have a facebook account or don't these things matter, that said I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of supporting such a proposal or showing my support for the Parisians.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

In fairness it was suggested to me by someone else on the forum. Don't you think I have a point? If you're in favour of showing the nutters they can't stifle our free speech I'd have thought you wouldn't have a problem with it.

Or is that 'different'?

It's the classic move when having a debate such as this.

Those that argue for in-action can prove their case for doing nothing, by doing nothing. Even though the potential outcome of doing nothing is very dangerous.

They can then goad those that call for action, to undertake action - even though all we are doing is debating the issue - and if no action is taken they claim victory.

Not putting their money where there mouth is...................

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's the classic move when having a debate such as this.

Those that argue for in-action can prove their case for doing nothing, by doing nothing. Even though the potential outcome of doing nothing is very dangerous.

They can then goad those that call for action, to undertake action - even though all we are doing is debating the issue - and if no action is taken they claim victory.

Not putting their money where there mouth is...................

That'd be a pretty low thing to do, cheap point scoring over an issue such as this when the bodies are hardly even cold

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's the classic move when having a debate such as this.

Those that argue for in-action can prove their case for doing nothing, by doing nothing. Even though the potential outcome of doing nothing is very dangerous.

They can then goad those that call for action, to undertake action - even though all we are doing is debating the issue - and if no action is taken they claim victory.

Not putting their money where there mouth is...................

No. I've called you out on your words and now you're back-pedalling.

And that's just it, I've not suggested we "do nothing". In fact I've not suggested anything other than people think of the consequences of their actions.

There has been little or no 'debate' about this - the vast majority have suggested the media gets in the terrorists' faces and up the ante. If someone supports that sort of action (as is their right) then at the very least they ought to do their bit, rather be an armchair expert safely in their own homes.

This reminds me of that bit in Life of Brian where John Cleese's character issues the orders but won't take part in the kidnapping because he has a "bad back"....

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That'd be a pretty low thing to do, cheap point scoring over an issue such as this when the bodies are hardly even cold

Cheap point scoring? I'm asking you to back up your words with actions, that's all and the fact you seem to take issue with it speaks volumes.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Something that's just been suggested to me:

Those who feel so strongly about free speech and that the media should en masse publish these cartoons - why not put your money where your mouth is?

Why not publish them online yourselves with your names and addresses? That'll show them, right?

Is it ok if I do it on here?

how do I know you won't come and kill me?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Is it ok if I do it on here?

how do I know you won't come and kill me?

You don't show up high enough on my personal radar for me to care. Seriously, I won't.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

Cheap point scoring? I'm asking you to back up your words with actions, that's all and the fact you seem to take issue with it speaks volumes.

It's a rather odd way of me taking issue don't you think, by offering to show my support and now I'm asking you to show me where I asked for the media to reprint them

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

You don't show up high enough on my personal radar for me to care. Seriously, I won't.

So I can post a funny picture of Mo/Muhammed with a few words. and my address?

and you promise I'm not high enough on your kill radar. and you won't be inciting racial hatred?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's a rather odd way of me taking issue don't you think, by offering to show my support and now I'm asking you to show me where I asked for the media to reprint them

You don't use Facebook, fine - why not set up a page just for the purposes of reprinting them (and I'm suggesting 'you' as opposed to the media unless you believe the media are the only people free speech applies to?) with your name and address?

Why not set up a Twitter page and ask a few celebs to re-tweet it? Loads of them like to help their followers in that way.

Google offer a free blog to anyone with a Google account, you could set it up that way. Wordpress offer similar software, little or no tech skill is needed.

If you feel as strongly about free speech and not allowing the nutters to gag us as you appear then I'm sure you'll be only too happy to do all that.

Unless of course you feel standing up to terrorism is the job of "someone else".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

No. I've called you out on your words and now you're back-pedalling.

You haven't " called me out"'. Called me out on what?

You don't have the authority to call anyone out on anything. You're nothing but a keyboard jockey same as everyone else on here.

And that's just it, I've not suggested we "do nothing". In fact I've not suggested anything other than people think of the consequences of their actions.

You called the printing of lawful satrical cartoons that may antagonise radical islam as " ludicrous" . So I'm interpreting from that, that you would not print such cartoons

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You haven't " called me out"'. Called me out on what?

You don't have the authority to call anyone out on anything. You're nothing but a keyboard jockey same as everyone else on here.

I've got as much authority to point out the cowardice in someone as anyone else.

Originally Posted by Pierre

You called the printing of lawful satrical cartoons that may antagonise radical islam as " ludicrous" . So I'm interpreting from that, that you would not print such cartoons

No. You're backtracking on my calling you out, to the point of now putting words in my mouth. Just accept defeat like a man.

What I called 'ludicrous' was people being happy to more innocent people to die as long as it satisfies their urge to get one over the terrorists.

[Gary L]

I think we should all accept defeat on this.
Russ has found a get out clause.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

In fairness it was suggested to me by someone else on the forum.

They were scared of posting the suggestion here themselves?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

I've got as much authority to point out the cowardice in someone as anyone else.

ha, spoken like a true "man" hiding behind a keyboard.

No. You're backtracking on my calling you out, to the point of now putting words in my mouth. Just accept defeat like a man.

Defeat? Defeat of what? Who am I supposed to be fighting? You? You need to look yourself in the mirror and slap your face. You think I give a toss about you, I think you need to sit down in a dark room and re-evaluate your life.

What I called 'ludicrous' was people being happy to more innocent people to die as long as it satisfies their urge to get one over the terrorists.

If you say so.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

You don't use Facebook, fine - why not set up a page just for the purposes of reprinting them (and I'm suggesting 'you' as opposed to the media unless you believe the media are the only people free speech applies to?) with your name and address?

Why not set up a Twitter page and ask a few celebs to re-tweet it? Loads of them like to help their followers in that way.

Google offer a free blog to anyone with a Google account, you could set it up that way. Wordpress offer similar software, little or no tech skill is needed.

If you feel as strongly about free speech and not allowing the nutters to gag us as you appear then I'm sure you'll be only too happy to do all that.

Unless of course you feel standing up to terrorism is the job of "someone else".

You really think setting up a few social media accounts with no views, no followers and no friends is an appropriate way of standing up to terrorism or free speech, if so I think Pierre might have got it about right in his last post after all.

That not with standing I think you might be onto something regarding showing a bit of solidarity for what's happened.