Unstoppable migration?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

I was wondering too

@Taf I too believe you did write £18,720
@martyh after Taf posted his message, Taf edited his typo, in less than 1 minute he added 3 zeros

I hope I did not imagine this We both read Taf's message the split second it was posted....

I believe I added a space between the figures and "pa".

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Originally Posted by martyh

If you begrudge an asylum seeker £5.28 a day for food sanitation and clothing then you are a sorry little man

I do not begrudge genuine asylum seekers anything. I was just stating how much it cost us each year, during a time of less for all (except the rich perhaps).

Do you think that Jobseekers have it much better in the UK? After all they have to pay for their gas, electricity and water from their £8.27 per day (under 24 years of age) or £10.44 per day (over 24 years of age).

My water bill is £1.67 per day, electricity and gas £3.65 per day. So that would be £5.32 gone before I thought of feeding and clothing muself as a unemployed person. That would put me worse off than an asylum seeker!

[nomadking]

Classic example on ITV News. Guy comes all the way from Sudan because supposedly it's dangerous there, but strangely enough it's not too dangerous for the rest of his family still there. He wants to get enough money to send back and bring the rest of his family over. Has bogus claim written all over it.

[Osem]

The Deputy Mayor of Calais Philippe Mignonet has blamed the UK for the migrant crisis in Calais.


He said 99% of migrants said they wanted to go to England.

"Why? Because of the benefits. They know that they are going to be able to work on the black market easily. Why can they work on the black market easily? Because there are no controls. We have the feeling that nothing is done to fight against illegal workers in England," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33760591

He's got a point hasn't he or is he just a heartless xenophobe too? Maybe he reads the Daily Mail as well...

[nomadking]

Realistically how much can be done about the jobs black market? Too late to do anything as so many of their "own kind" are already here and all too ready to give money, jobs etc to their "own kind"

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33760591

He's got a point hasn't he or is he just a heartless xenophobe too? Maybe he reads the Daily Mail as well...

Well what are the controls? The French have ID cards and also have a more regulated business environment which makes it harder for quick jobs to be done easily. The 'black market' he refers to are simple cash-in-hand jobs and such that are around.

Maybe the reason there is less of it in France is that their controls amount to really high unemployment rates irrespective of your nationality.

Either way I don't see how any of this helps. The solution needs to be addressed at the root. No matter how well we fortify Calais the migrants will still go there. Before too long France will say enough is enough and revoke the agreement to have our border there and then the problem will be at Dover.

Maybe we do need to look at ID cards again and introduce more 'controls'.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well what are the controls? The French have ID cards and also have a more regulated business environment which makes it harder for quick jobs to be done easily. The 'black market' he refers to are simple cash-in-hand jobs and such that are around.

Maybe the reason there is less of it in France is that their controls amount to really high unemployment rates irrespective of your nationality.

Either way I don't see how any of this helps. The solution needs to be addressed at the root. No matter how well we fortify Calais the migrants will still go there. Before too long France will say enough is enough and revoke the agreement to have our border there and then the problem will be at Dover.

Maybe we do need to look at ID cards again and introduce more 'controls'.

What will having an ID card resolve? and which 'controls' would you like to see introduced?

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Originally Posted by Taf

I believe I added a space between the figures and "pa".

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I do not begrudge genuine asylum seekers anything. I was just stating how much it cost us each year, during a time of less for all (except the rich perhaps).

Do you think that Jobseekers have it much better in the UK? After all they have to pay for their gas, electricity and water from their £8.27 per day (under 24 years of age) or £10.44 per day (over 24 years of age).

My water bill is £1.67 per day, electricity and gas £3.65 per day. So that would be £5.32 gone before I thought of feeding and clothing muself as a unemployed person. That would put me worse off than an asylum seeker!

An unemployed person is quite within their rights to seek employment in the EU member states..... Or to present themselves at another country to try and claim asylum

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Originally Posted by Taf

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33754595

That's not small change for a cash-strapped country. £18,720,000 pa.

So cash strapped we can lose £1bn over night.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...-sell-off.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33769906

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What will having an ID card resolve? and which 'controls' would you like to see introduced?

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An unemployed person is quite within their rights to seek employment in the EU member states..... Or to present themselves at another country to try and claim asylum

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So cash strapped we can lose £1bn over night.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...-sell-off.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33769906

Actually, people can claim asylum if they cannot return to their country for fear of being persecuted - being unemployed doesn't count as persecution....

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, people can claim asylum if they cannot return to their country for fear of being persecuted - being unemployed doesn't count as persecution....

Sorry, bad use of english on my part.....

should of had an or in there

[Taf]

I get the feeling we are being "persecuted" by this Tory government.

But the Labour goverments before it were probably the reason why we have to go through all this "austerity".

How are we being 'persecuted'?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Damien

How are we being 'persecuted'?

Cuts, cuts and more cuts. Public services, benefits......

Originally Posted by Taf

Cuts, cuts and more cuts. Public services, benefits......

Hardly persecution is it? Besides people voted for a party that was clear more cuts would come. It's not like we're living in a war zone or under threat of death and worse from an armed force and/or their own Government.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Hardly persecution is it? Besides people voted for a party that was clear more cuts would come. It's not like we're living in a war zone or under threat of death and worse from an armed force and/or their own Government.

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I understand there are many out there affected by the cuts that have been driven to suicide, so I suppose they felt they were being persecuted.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well what are the controls? The French have ID cards and also have a more regulated business environment which makes it harder for quick jobs to be done easily. The 'black market' he refers to are simple cash-in-hand jobs and such that are around.

Maybe the reason there is less of it in France is that their controls amount to really high unemployment rates irrespective of your nationality.

Either way I don't see how any of this helps. The solution needs to be addressed at the root. No matter how well we fortify Calais the migrants will still go there. Before too long France will say enough is enough and revoke the agreement to have our border there and then the problem will be at Dover.

Maybe we do need to look at ID cards again and introduce more 'controls'.

Like we were discussing the other day, get serious with the punishments for those that employ illegals, might stop the odd lord or baroness thinking they're above the rules if nothing else.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Or to present themselves at another country to try and claim asylum

Asylum has to be claimed in the FIRST safe country the asylum seeker gets to. Not traipse over half the planet just to get to the softest (i.e. UK) country to make the claim in.

Some of the criteria for which an asylum application can be rejected include: i) Passage via “safe" third country, ii) Safe Country of Origin (An asylum seeker can be a prior refused asylum if the he or she is a national of a country considered to be "safe" by the French asylum authority OFPRA),[11] iii) Safety Threat (serious threat to the public order), or iv) Fraudulent Application (abuse of the asylum procedure for other reasons).

Right of asylum