This one's going down

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

that's the whole point ,the judge recognised it wasn't intentional hence the three year sentance

Some one still died and 3 years isn't a lot for a life when you have shown a complete disregard for others safety, the whole thing was completely avoidable.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Some one still died and 3 years isn't a lot for a life when you have shown a complete disregard for others safety, the whole thing was completely avoidable.

so are most deaths but they still happen ,they are dealt with how we as a society see fit.I think in this case he should not have gone to prison but obviously the judge did .A prison sentence in this case was purely to satisfy the punishment factor ,it had nothing to do with rehabilitation

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Moldova

He should serve his full term behind bars as Hayley's mum cannot see her child at Christmas then why should he, jail should be a punishment not an inconvenience.

I have ZERO pity for this man or his family as he brought this on himself and took a life.

I shouldn't think that it is for his benefit, but the children's. But then, I would say that they could probably do without him as a father.

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

So should we open the gates and let everybody who has chldren out of prison for Christmas.

Hang on, that isn't fair on the poor prisoners who don't have kids.

Many prisoners are released, on home visits, over Christmas. There are several reasons for this. For example:

• So that the criminal's family doesn't have to suffer
  
• So that the prison population is reduced and therefore allows more prison officers to have time off and spend it with their families.

This release is not restricted to parents either, it happens to non-parents as well. Also, it is a privilege earned and can be (and often is) withdrawn at a moment's notice.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I shouldn't think that it is for his benefit, but the children's. But then, I would say that they could probably do without him as a father.

it's being done for anyones benefit it's being done because he's due paroll next year,has been a model prisoner and so gets home leave ,no different to any other prisoner ..simple

realy don't see what the big deal is

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think in this case he should not have gone to prison but obviously the judge did .

Oh but he should have gone to prison and for a damn sight longer, he killed an innocent young girl for no reason and at a ridiculously high speed and you think he should be walking the streets with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

If she had been your child you would be thinking very very differently about this man who killed a girl with a weapon, his speeding car.

Originally Posted by Moldova

Oh but he should have gone to prison and for a damn sight longer, he killed an innocent young girl for no reason and at a ridiculously high speed and you think he should be walking the streets with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

If she had been your child you would be thinking very very differently about this man who killed a girl with a weapon, his speeding car.

the problem is though Moldova it wasn't a weapon it was a police car doing legitimate police buisness ,he didn't murder her .he didn't set out to kill her ,and he most certainly didn't get a slap on the wrist ,his life is ruined along with his families for an error in judgement that he most assuredly wishes had never happened .

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

the problem is though Moldova it wasn't a weapon it was a police car doing legitimate police buisness ,he didn't murder her .he didn't set out to kill her ,and he most certainly didn't get a slap on the wrist ,his life is ruined along with his families for an error in judgement that he most assuredly wishes had never happened .

A Police Car doing 94 MPH on a normal housing estate road without his blues and two's on and the was absolutely no need for him to be speeding in such a way as this was just because ANPR bleeped.

So when did it become legitimate for the Police to speed on normal roads without using all means at their disposal to warn the public of their approach.

That is not the behaviour of a Police officer who is supposed to be highly trained but an idiot driving a car at high speed.

I would advocate longer jail terms for anyone who killed an innocent victim at those kind of speeds.

Remember the ANPR only bleeped because it was a motoring offence and it was also a no longer valid warrant and a young girl died for that reason.

10 years without parole or day release would be a fair sentence, his kids should have to spend Christmas in jail with daddy, at least he can still see them at this time of year.

Originally Posted by Moldova

A Police Car doing 94 MPH on a normal housing estate road without his blues and two's on and the was absolutely no need for him to be speeding in such a way as this was just because ANPR bleeped.

So when did it become legitimate for the Police to speed on normal roads without using all means at their disposal to warn the public of their approach.

That is not the behaviour of a Police officer who is supposed to be highly trained but an idiot driving a car at high speed.

I would advocate longer jail terms for anyone who killed an innocent victim at those kind of speeds.

Remember the ANPR only bleeped because it was a motoring offence and it was also a no longer valid warrant and a young girl died for that reason.

10 years without parole or day release would be a fair sentence, his kids should have to spend Christmas in jail with daddy, at least he can still see them at this time of year.

well i'm pleased people like you don't make the rules ,like i said he made an error of judgement acting on outdated information from his computer ,he made a judgement call and got it wrong ,that does not mean he should spend the next 10yrs in the nick ,he is not a murderer legally or moraly imo

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

well i'm pleased people like you don't make the rules ,like i said he made an error of judgement acting on outdated information from his computer ,he made a judgement call and got it wrong ,that does not mean he should spend the next 10yrs in the nick ,he is not a murderer legally or moraly imo

So hitting someone at 94 MPH in a car requires no punishment because he was a Policeman who was not actually doing his job correctly, as he failed in so many ways by speeding at excessive speed in a built up residential area and did not switch on his siren or blue lights which may have possibly prevented this tragedy from happening.

Not the kind of person I want policing my roads or anyone elses roads.

Just a thought if this guy had done this to your son or daughter would you just shrug your shoulders and think well he is a policeman doing his job and then when you met him afterwards would you shake his hand and say no hard feelings mate as you were only doing your job.

Originally Posted by Moldova

So hitting someone at 94 MPH in a car requires no punishment because he was a Policeman who was not actually doing his job correctly, as he failed in so many ways by speeding at excessive speed in a built up residential area and did not switch on his siren or blue lights which may have possibly prevented this tragedy from happening.

Not the kind of person I want policing my roads or anyone elses roads.

but he has been punished ,he got three years ,some think it too much and some think it not enough ,he made a mistake and got punished ,do you not make mistakes? things go wrong for the most sensible and professional people in the world ,we should not as a society lump them together with murderers ,rapists,drugdealers ect

and to answere your question ,yes i probably would react differently if it was my child as would most ,but i can also guarantee you would think differently if your wife or son/daughter killed someone while driving ,that's just human nature

[NoKnowledge]

If anybody care for a read http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov...ing-advice.pdf

also whether this applies to highly trained drivers of police or not I don't know. I would've thought they be more strict with the sentencing guidelines with police as they are trained, going by the law of
if you don't have a licence the sentence is lenient if you cause death and if you have a licence and cause death you get the full effect of the law.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Moldova

Remember the ANPR only bleeped because it was a motoring offence and it was also a no longer valid warrant and a young girl died for that reason.

Have you seen the video of the incident?

It's not someone screaming about doing donuts and J-turns. The actual time from the vehicle pinging on the ANPR and the impact is about 15 seconds if I recall correctly.

In that time a single crewed car has a lot to do, firing on the blue lights when the car is already in the distance gives the driver far more time to put his foot down before the Police car could get anywhere near him.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I shouldn't think that it is for his benefit, but the children's. But then, I would say that they could probably do without him as a father.

At what point in your opinion did he become unfit to be a father?

When he crashed his car into a drunk 16 year old schoolgirl?
Or when he joined the police force?

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm sorry,

No need to apologise.

Originally Posted by Chris

I thought you made a pretty black-and-white statement about your sympathies when you said:



I.E, one and not the other. 'Not' leading, by a very small and entirely reasonable leap of deduction, to 'no' as in 'no sympathy'.

I doubt if most people would read into that what you have. Maybes us tabloid reeedurs don't nede as meny wurds to get the jist of an internet post, so for clarities sake for those broadsheet readers with bigger brains than mine, My sympathy lies mainly, but not exclusively, with the family of the victims.

It's right that families and prisoners are given support. I feel more sympathy for the victims who find about releases/home visits by the local press knocking on their front door. It's a very emotional time of the year for anybody who has suffered a bereavement. The first couple of Christmases must be particularly hellish for a parent who has lost a child. I can only imagine hearing such news 3rd hand must be extremely upsetting to those who are grieving.

Originally Posted by Chris

I like to think I can get the measure of someone if I read their posts for long enough. You need to try a bit harder if you think I have any regard for the Daily Heil though ... except as a possible source of lavatory paper.

If you think you can get the measure of me reading the drivel I post you are way off the mark. If you had been as observant as you think you are you would have noticed the smiley icon and deduced that I've been observant enough to notice your feelings about that particular rag. If you'd been more observant in your attempt to get the measure of me you'd already know that it's a viewpoint we share.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Have you seen the video of the incident?

It's not someone screaming about doing donuts and J-turns. The actual time from the vehicle pinging on the ANPR and the impact is about 15 seconds if I recall correctly.

In that time a single crewed car has a lot to do, firing on the blue lights when the car is already in the distance gives the driver far more time to put his foot down before the Police car could get anywhere near him.

I do not go with the excuse that he was a lone driver, if he had not accelerated to such an extreme speed he would have been able to switch his blues and twos on and possibly not killed Hayley.

It was a residential housing estate and no one has the right to barrel down a ordinary road at that speed policeman or not and regardless of the possibility of warning the criminal that he is being pursued the safety of the public should be and must be paramount in any public servants mind and his siren and blue lights should have been switched on.

When did the members of the public become second fiddle to a copper handing out a ticket?

If anyone in your job thinks in this way then they should resign with immediate effect as they are a liability and a danger to the public.

He is a killer and thus should be treated as such regardless of his previous status and therefore his family should have to visit him in prison at Christmas to remind him of what he has done.

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Originally Posted by Julian

When he crashed his car into a drunk 16 year old schoolgirl?

He killed a 16 year old girl for no reason other than he thought he had to nick someone by driving at a ridiculously high speed without any warnings, her possibly being drunk has no bearings on the fact that he killed her through excessive use of speed.