"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

[Flyboy]

Nope, you still did not read it properly, did you? I did not say that anyone who disagrees with me is a bigot, I said, "what is wrong with being intolerant of bigots and racists?" when someone referred to a Dutch MP. But if you wish to only interpret posts the way you want to, to satisfy your own opinions, be my guest.

Just having briefly reviewed my contributions to this thread, apart from a disagreement with a poster who thought they were an expert on particular medical condition, I cannot see anywhere I may missed a question, perhaps you could point them out to me and if I have missed any and they are still relevant I will do my best to answer them.

[Derek]

Back to something remotely resembling the topic now.

It's all OK though, Gordo has decided he'll sort things out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8541963.stm

Some highlights.

He said it was not "acceptable" to miss the Home Office target of having neighbourhood Pcs spend at least four fifths of their time on patrol.

Thats just after he said he had removed all targets apart from public confidence. So now all the Police can do is influence how people think and not what actually happens.

Mr Brown said the risk of being a victim of crime was the lowest since the British Crime Survey started in the early 1980s.

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrreeeeeee. Maybe if you have an armed bodyguard around you 24/7

He also said there would be an expectation that anyone breaching an anti-social behaviour order (Asbo) would be prosecuted

So when they breach it and fail to comply with community service etc. and finally get the jail where will they go? The countries prisons are already creaking at the seams and the 'not at all a political ploy' ending of early release just before the election will make matters even worse.

[Flyboy]

Make your mind up, you either want criminals to stay in prison, or you don't.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Make your mind up, you either want criminals to stay in prison, or you don't.

I do. I think they should serve at least 3/4 of their sentence and any early release should be based on the risk of them re-offending and their behaviour in prison rather than getting out regardless.

I do object to blatantly political announcements that early release will be binned and things will be toughened up when its obvious to everyone that there is not enough prison places.

Originally Posted by Derek S

I do. I think they should serve at least 3/4 of their sentence and any early release should be based on the risk of them re-offending and their behaviour in prison rather than getting out regardless.

I do object to blatantly political announcements that early release will be binned and things will be toughened up when its obvious to everyone that there is not enough prison places.

how much political mileage will GB get out of this

[Derek]

What does it take to get someone the jail these days.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-spree.html

Joyrider shouts 'get in' as judge tells him he won't be jailed for killing police dog and injuring two officers in wrecking spree

I'd have loved to see the judge immediately jail him for a couple of years for contempt for that little outburst.

[Mick Fisher]

Absolutely and scandalously unbelievable.

The Judge wants locking up too, maybe in a padded cell.

[AntiSilence]

Originally Posted by Derek S

What does it take to get someone the jail these days.

With things like this, I'll bet you sometimes wonder why you bother catching them in the first place.

We probably cannot send them to prison as there are no spaces for them to go too thanks to a complete lack of planning on the part of government. Trouble is as more and more walk from serious things the more those on the borderline of criminality will be inclined to chance their luck making the problem spiral even further. Completely stupid position to be in and someone in charge should hang their head in shame at what is happening.

[Mick Fisher]

That's the trouble Rizzy, there is no one in charge in this Administration.

When the excrement hits the spinning thing it is always someone elses responsibility.

Hell we have all sussed that if evasion to reality raised money this country wouldn't need taxation .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Back to something remotely resembling the topic now.

It's all OK though, Gordo has decided he'll sort things out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8541963.stm

Some highlights.

Thats just after he said he had removed all targets apart from public confidence. So now all the Police can do is influence how people think and not what actually happens.

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrreeeeeee. Maybe if you have an armed bodyguard around you 24/7

So when they breach it and fail to comply with community service etc. and finally get the jail where will they go? The countries prisons are already creaking at the seams and the 'not at all a political ploy' ending of early release just before the election will make matters even worse.

Their usual pre-election garbage! Heard it all many times before from Bliar and the steady stream of tough talking serial underachievers otherwise known as New Labour Home Secretaries.

Rumour has it that Brown was considering another nice new slogan for the forthcoming election:

"Things can only get better...."

...until someone reminded him that they've been in power for 13 years...

Come on how can we expect labour to be tough on crime when their own party leader and our pm lies as easily as he does and evades anything he doesn't like. His evidence at chillcott was as criminal as it gets and only he believes what he said during that questioning.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Come on how can we expect labour to be tough on crime when their own party leader and our pm lies as easily as he does and evades anything he doesn't like. His evidence at chillcott was as criminal as it gets and only he believes what he said during that questioning.

Not quite true - there are one or two around here who're still buying it...

[Derek]

Tut, tut, tut

It seems Labours claims that we are living in a utopia and crime simply doesn't happen anymore might not be the truth (I know Labour misleading the public over figures, what are the odds? )

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-revealed.html

Violent attacks are estimated to be 44 per cent higher than they were in 1998 after research on the way police record them allowed comparisons for the first time.

The study, by the independent House of Commons Library, shows violence against the person increased from 618,417 to 887,942 last year.