Government & Post Election Discussion

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I think its its called freedom.
People are allowed views that other people dont like.
We havent quite yet got the days when we are told what we must think, though some would love if we did.

Indeed everybody is entitled to their views but they must remember that others have opposite views as some seem to conveniently forget that sometimes.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Osem

Can anyone find a single example of a Tory sponsored/supported march or demonstration that resulted in violence and intimidation on our streets?

The pro hunting rent-a-mob have form (half a dozen of them even managed to get in to the Parliament). Now remind me, which party was talking about/supporting the reintroduction of hunting with dogs in the run up to the election a few weeks ago?

Cheers

Dave

No party talked about reintroduction or supporting it. That wasn't what was said. Theresa May suggested MPs get a free vote in parliament to repeal the ban. Many in her party did not support such a move, hence no party supported it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

No party talked about reintroduction or supporting it. That wasn't what was said. Theresa May suggested MPs get a free vote in parliament to repeal the ban. Many in her party did not support such a move, hence no party supported it.

Thankfully it has been knocked into the long grass permanently one hopes.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

No party talked about reintroduction or supporting it. That wasn't what was said. Theresa May suggested MPs get a free vote in parliament to repeal the ban. Many in her party did not support such a move, hence no party supported it.

Just checked and this is what the Conservative Manifesto said: We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.

Now I know you'll try and wriggle out of it, but a government bill on government time sounds pretty like something supported by the party AND if they are happy for it to remain banned then why not let the present ban stand??

Mrs May kept saying all the way the election campaign that we needed to vote for her and only her (a big mistake in the end) and she tried her best to dominate every aspect of party policy - look at the 'battle' bus - she even signed it!! So as she is a supporter of fox hunting I think the pledge in the manifesto came straight from the top and she had/has some strange idea that such a barbaric step backwards would win her the respect of the country. It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing.

Cheers

Dave

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Just checked and this is what the Conservative Manifesto said: We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.

Now I know you'll try and wriggle out of it, but a government bill on government time sounds pretty like something supported by the party AND if they are happy for it to remain banned then why not let the present ban stand??

Mrs May kept saying all the way the election campaign that we needed to vote for her and only her (a big mistake in the end) and she tried her best to dominate every aspect of party policy - look at the 'battle' bus - she even signed it!! So as she is a supporter of fox hunting I think the pledge in the manifesto came straight from the top and she had/has some strange idea that such a barbaric step backwards would win her the respect of the country. It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing.

Cheers

Dave

LOL, the government can create these bills but does not mean it will get full party support, never heard of rebellions? This would have gone to a free vote, so no party whips involved.

That said. It's been in the news for some time. The pledge has been dropped.

And for the record, I do not need to 'wriggle' out if anything. I stand by all my posts on here. So, I reaffirm that it was not supported by any party and it would have lost had it come to a vote.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

LOL, the government can create these bills but does not mean it will get full party support, never heard of rebellions? This would have gone to a free vote, so no party whips involved.

That said. It's been in the news for some time. The pledge has been dropped.

And for the record, I do not need to 'wriggle' out if anything. I stand by all my posts on here. So, I reaffirm that it was not supported by any party and it would have lost had it come to a vote.

Suppose that's one way of looking at foolish things in a manifesto, especially when they don't fit the argument your trying to make.


Cheers


Dave

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Just checked and this is what the Conservative Manifesto said: We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.

Now I know you'll try and wriggle out of it, but a government bill on government time sounds pretty like something supported by the party AND if they are happy for it to remain banned then why not let the present ban stand??

Mrs May kept saying all the way the election campaign that we needed to vote for her and only her (a big mistake in the end) and she tried her best to dominate every aspect of party policy - look at the 'battle' bus - she even signed it!! So as she is a supporter of fox hunting I think the pledge in the manifesto came straight from the top and she had/has some strange idea that such a barbaric step backwards would win her the respect of the country. It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing.

Cheers

Dave

Is that the bus that blew over in the wind, the one that had strong and stable written on it.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Is that the bus that blew over in the wind, the one that had strong and stable written on it.

It's an ill wind that blows nobody any good .

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Suppose that's one way of looking at foolish things in a manifesto, especially when they don't fit the argument your trying to make.


Cheers


Dave

Very Articulate, aren't you, on your own misgivings...

Cheers,

Mick.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Just checked and this is what the Conservative Manifesto said: We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act.

Now I know you'll try and wriggle out of it, but a government bill on government time sounds pretty like something supported by the party AND if they are happy for it to remain banned then why not let the present ban stand??

Mrs May kept saying all the way the election campaign that we needed to vote for her and only her (a big mistake in the end) and she tried her best to dominate every aspect of party policy - look at the 'battle' bus - she even signed it!! So as she is a supporter of fox hunting I think the pledge in the manifesto came straight from the top and she had/has some strange idea that such a barbaric step backwards would win her the respect of the country. It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing.

Cheers

Dave

A free vote can be useful. If the majority succeed in keeping the ban, it shuts the animal killers up for a few more years.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A free vote can be useful. If the majority succeed in keeping the ban, it shuts the animal killers up for a few more years.

i see you don't understand foxes
1 they eat babies
2 they rob pensioners
3 they are armed to the teeth and roam the countryside bumping off horses
4 they plan world domination and the extinction of the human race
5 if there not eliminated they will take over the world
6 and most importantly posh oiks love killing anything that moves and will come up with numerous reasons to get blood on their hands .

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i see you don't understand foxes
1 they eat babies
2 they rob pensioners
3 they are armed to the teeth and roam the countryside bumping off horses
4 they plan world domination and the extinction of the human race
5 if there not eliminated they will take over the world
6 and most importantly posh oiks love killing anything that moves and will come up with numerous reasons to get blood on their hands .

Got to keep the population down somehow!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

The pro hunting rent-a-mob have form (half a dozen of them even managed to get in to the Parliament). Now remind me, which party was talking about/supporting the reintroduction of hunting with dogs in the run up to the election a few weeks ago?

Cheers

Dave

Is that the best you can do??

Yeah that really compares with Labour loony lefties marching in the streets, smashing up vehicles, defacing memorials trying to set fire to buildings and being praised by McDonnell for 'kicking the **** out of Millbank'. Nice people I'm sure...

For decades we've suffered Labour/union supported and other loony lefty protests on our streets which have turned extremely nasty. They seem to feel calling the Tories 'the nasty party' gives them free reign to behave like thugs. Labour has a great deal more previous for being truly nasty than the Tories.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Osem

Is that the best you can do??

Yeah that really compares with Labour loony lefties marching in the streets, smashing up vehicles, defacing memorials trying to set fire to buildings and being praised by McDonnell for 'kicking the **** out of Millbank'. Nice people I'm sure...

For decades we've suffered Labour/union supported and other loony lefty protests on our streets which have turned extremely nasty. They seem to feel calling the Tories 'the nasty party' gives them free reign to behave like thugs. Labour has a great deal more previous for being truly nasty than the Tories.

Yes the 80's in most of Northern England was one long fairytale with the Tories.