Racing (Horse) : General Horse Racing Thread

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Sadly, l find the Grand National to be cruel to the horses, if they are going to run this race there has to be stringent tests before the race, and the fences have to be lower.I strong feelings to treatment of the horses, and l know that horses love racing, but the National has always had its problems.

Arthur please remember severals things and first of all horses who run in the Grand National are checked by the vets and thoroughly looked after at their stables and get the finest care and treatment one could imagine.

While it is very sad that there has been two fatalities in the race horses can break down on the gallops at home and please also remember the GN in the last few years has been made a lot safer and many fences has been modified to make it safer for the horses and while the two deaths are very sad there is a risk in every sport as we have seen by the Fabrice Muamba collapse and the death of a footballer in Italy today and although we can make things as safe as we can we are never going to eliminate the risk totally be it sportsmen or horses.

[Cobbydaler]

Both the fatalities today suffered fractured limbs.

Why are racehorses put down when they break a leg when you see cats, dogs and other animals with plastercasts on?

Is it something to do with the slenderness of their limbs compared to the mass of their bodies? Their skittishness & inability to be immobilised?

Puzzled...

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Both the fatalities today suffered fractured limbs.

Why are racehorses put down when they break a leg when you see cats, dogs and other animals with plastercasts on?

Is it something to do with the slenderness of their limbs compared to the mass of their bodies? Their skittishness & inability to be immobilised?

Puzzled...

OK, my wife found the answer:

http://sciencefocus.com/qa/why-are-l...rather-treated

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Both the fatalities today suffered fractured limbs.

Why are racehorses put down when they break a leg when you see cats, dogs and other animals with plastercasts on?

Is it something to do with the slenderness of their limbs compared to the mass of their bodies? Their skittishness & inability to be immobilised?

Puzzled...

You have summed it up quite well Cobby and although some injuries can be mended it really depends on one where the injury is and the second factor is how serious a injury is as well but rest assured the finest treatment is given to racehorses and everything is done to save them or if the injury is so serious they are put down very humanely.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by denphone

While it is very sad that there has been two fatalities in the race horses can break down on the gallops at home and please also remember the GN in the last few years has been made a lot safer and many fences has been modified to make it safer for the horses

Well, it isn't working Eleven fatalities in the last 10 years, eight since 2006, and four in the last two editions. 2010 is the only year without fatalities since 2006.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by danielf

Well, it isn't working Eleven fatalities in the last 10 years, eight since 2006, and four in the last two editions. 2010 is the only year without fatalities since 2006.

Horses can break down at lesser meetings and on the gallops and these are not mentioned at all by the media because its not headline news but because its the Grand National the media will put it as front page headlines thus fuelling the clamour to change the race even more then it has been done already or even some are even calling for the scrapping of the race and although it is very sad to lose horses there will always be a risk in jump racing and this can never ever be got rid of unless the sports is stopped and do we really want this and the answer to that would be a resounding no by the vast majority of the public.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Horses can break down at lesser meetings and on the gallops and these are not mentioned at all by the media because its not headline news but because its the Grand National the media will put it as front page headlines thus fuelling the clamour to change the race even more then it has been done already or even some are even calling for the scrapping of the race and although it is very sad to lose horses there will always be a risk in jump racing and this can never ever be got rid of unless the sports is stopped and do we really want this and the answer to that would be a resounding no by the vast majority of the public.

I accept that there will always be risks. All I'm saying is that measures are put in place to make the race safer, than these clearly aren't working...

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Sadly, l find the Grand National to be cruel to the horses, if they are going to run this race there has to be stringent tests before the race, and the fences have to be lower.I strong feelings to treatment of the horses, and l know that horses love racing, but the National has always had its problems.

The first time this has ever happened Arthur but I fully agree with you

[denphone]

Originally Posted by danielf

I accept that there will always be risks. All I'm saying is that measures are put in place to make the race safer, than these clearly aren't working...

And what measures would you suggest to make the race safer danielf?.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

The first time this has ever happened Arthur but I fully agree with you

While respecting your opinion massively this is one time that l have to disagree with you totally MM.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by denphone

And what measures would you suggest to make the race safer danielf?..

I don't know. But I'm not the one claiming it's been made safer in recent years.

[denphone]

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/

Aintree, Saturday

John Smith's Grand National (Grade 3) 4m4f, 7yo+

NEPTUNE COLLONGES gave champion trainer Paul Nicholls his first Grand National at the 53rd attempt as jockey Daryl Jacob edged out Richie McLernon on Sunnyhillboy in a thrilling photo finish to the world's most famous race.

John Hales's gallant grey, sent off at 33-1, nailed Sunnyhillboy (16-1) on the line by a nose, the shortest winning margin in the history of the Aintree marathon.

Neptune Collonges, who became the first grey winner of the National since 1961, was immediately retired so goes out in a blaze of glory.

Sadly, Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Synchronised was one of two deaths reported after the race, alongside According To Pete.

Very sadly a wonderful finish to to the race was marred by the deaths of two horses as "The Grand National undoubtedly represents a challenge to both horse and rider and because of this it has inherent risks and many safety measues have been taken in the last 15 years but there will always be that risk l am afraid not just here but in jump racing up and down the country.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...s/1015767/top/

CONNECTIONS of Frankel were forced to deny rumours circling on Saturday afternoon that the superstar colt had been retired.

Frankel injured an off-fore in a routine gallop on Wednesday morning and suggestions the world's highest rated horse had run his last race spread like wildfire as the eyes of the racing world were fixed on the John Smith's Grand National.

However, Teddy Grimthorpe, racing manager to Frankel's owner Khalid Abdullah, assured fans that was not the case

Lets hope these rumours are not true as this would be a great shame for the sport.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...t/1015646/top/

Aintree, Saturday

John Smith´s Aintree Hurdle (Grade 1) 2m4f, 4yo+

TRAINER Nicky Henderson and jockey Barry Geraghty racked up a treble on Grand National day as Oscar Whisky narrowly denied Thousand Stars in the Aintree Hurdle.

of the first two was a carbon copy of last year's contest.

Rock On Ruby came home in third, while Ruby Walsh was lucky to walk away after he was involved in heavy fall on 2-1 favourite Zarkandar. He was later stood down for the day on medical advice.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...e/1015610/top/

Aintree, Saturday

John Smith's Maghull Novices' Chase (Grade 1) 2m, 5yo+

SPRINTER SACRE continued his hugely impressive winning run as he trounced his rivals like a 1-7 shot should.

Toubab was the only one who provided any sort of threat to the Racing Post Arkle Chase hero turning in, but once he made a mistake at the second-last the writing was on the wall with Barry Geraghty's mount coasting away for an easy 13-length win.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...e/1015571/top/

Aintree, Saturday

John Smith's Mersey Novices' Hurdle (Grade 2) 2m4f, 4yo+

IMPRESSIVE Cheltenham Festival winner Simonsig added a Grand National meeting triumph to his record when he landed the Mersey Novices' Hurdle at Aintree.

Successful in the Grade 1 Neptune Investment Management Novices' Hurdle last month, the Nicky Henderson-trained Simonsig was set off the 4-9 favourite to follow up and those who tookthe short odds had little to worry about.

[Kymmy]

I can just imagine the olympics putting down two athletes due to the race being dangerous.. About time we put an end to this barbaric so called sport.. Any sport that puts an animal in danger shouldn't be allowed.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I can just imagine the olympics putting down two athletes due to the race being dangerous.. About time we put an end to this barbaric so called sport.. Any sport that puts an animal in danger shouldn't be allowed.

Quite agree .It is beyond me how owners ,who purportedly value these horses so much and spend thousands on them ,are prepared to risk the horses lives

[denphone]

There are a whole host of dangers in sport and dangerous sports. From the well known risks in sports like Rugby, Formula 1 Racing, Boxing, Football, Skiing and more dangerous pursuits like rock climbing and hang gliding and Horse Racing is in that lists of dangerous sports and so should those sports be banned as well because of the dangers involved.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Quite agree .It is beyond me how owners ,who purportedly value these horses so much and spend thousands on them ,are prepared to risk the horses lives

Thoroughbred horses are born to race and they absolutely love racing and when l have visited some stables in the past these horses cannot wait to get to the races and run in their next race.

Originally Posted by denphone

There are a whole host of dangers in sport and dangerous sports. From the well known risks in sports like Rugby, Formula 1 Racing, Boxing, Football, Skiing and more dangerous pursuits like rock climbing and hang gliding and Horse Racing is in that lists of dangerous sports and so should those sports be banned as well because of the dangers involved.

Comparisons like those don't wash Den ,sports men and women assess the risk and make a conscious decision to take it or not ,a horse has no such choice ,i am certain that the horses would much sooner be running around a field chewing grass than being forced to gallop a 2 mile course with a rider on it's back and virtually insurmountable obstacles in the way ....if it had a choice

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Originally Posted by denphone

Thoroughbred horses are born to race and they absolutely love racing and when l have visited some stables in the past these horses cannot wait to get to the races and run in their next race.

They told you that did they

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

Comparisons like those don't wash Den ,sports men and women assess the risk and make a conscious decision to take it or not ,a horse has no such choice ,i am certain that the horses would much sooner be running around a field chewing grass than being forced to gallop a 2 mile course with a rider on it's back and virtually insurmountable obstacles in the way ....if it had a choice

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They told you that did they

l have followed Horse racing for 30 years Martyh so l do know what l am talking about.