[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

I see Geldof has got in on the remain act - surprised he had time what with all the refugees he's been taking care of...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3272161.html

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Osem

I see Geldof has got in on the remain act - surprised he had time what with all the refugees he's been taking care of...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3272161.html

Not really surprised. These people travel around all the time so benefits them if we stay in. Be very surprised to hear a Celeb come out against Remain.

Originally Posted by Osem

I see Geldof has got in on the remain act - surprised he had time what with all the refugees he's been taking care of...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3272161.html

Yeah, shouting expletives and making obscene gestures at working people who are campaigning to save their livelihoods. Classy.

Why be so antagonistic arranging a boat to disrupt something else is just pathetic but about what we have come to expect in this referendum campaign never miss a chance to do something pathetic rather then state a valid case. Really can't end fast enough for me so sick and tired of the ridiculous tit for tat rhetoric and silly games, this is the future of the uk being decided here not a party and the conduct on all sides has been disrespectful to the people voting.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Osem

I see Geldof has got in on the remain act - surprised he had time what with all the refugees he's been taking care of...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3272161.html

I won't listen to him or anyone outside the UK, as they are generally thinking about themselves.

As we get nearer the vote there will be some barrel scrapping by both sides trying to convince how to vote but I doubt Bob geldof is going to be a plus for remain.

[Ignitionnet]

The scene from Geldof's boat.

Raa, raa, raa, we're going to smash the oinks.

Not a good look, is it.

Someone elsewhere I visit was asking earlier, when did Geldof stop fighting the establishment and start defending it.

[Stephen]

Why Brexit and just turn our backs on the EU. Surely its best to remain part of it and try to sort out problems and try to improve things from the inside instead of looking in!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Not a good look, is it.

Someone elsewhere I visit was asking earlier, when did Geldof stop fighting the establishment and start defending it.

Just like so many of the others celebrity mouths who talk the talk, when he started to like being rich too much to give any of it up - in his case a long time ago.



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Originally Posted by Stephen

Why Brexit and just turn our backs on the EU. Surely its best to remain part of it and try to sort out problems and try to improve things from the inside instead of looking in!

Been there tried that. Not really worked has it. If they won't change when we're in or even when we considering leaving, what makes you think they'll ever change, especially when they'll feel they've successfully called our bluff.

If we stay in they'll believe they don't have to change. If we leave I'm sure others will follow and that's what will force change.

Stephen I spent ten years hoping the EU would abandon the federal superstate as I felt that trade and diplomacy wise the eec was a benefit but it just isn't going to happen because the problem that prevents all other solutions is that those leading the EU only see their way. If you try to suggest far less implement reform it gets shut down fast and it's back on the one course they have decided for everyone. We are the 2nd largest EU contributer and the 5th largest economy in the world and they weren't prepared to budge a mm on meaningful reform it is clear that only something like brexit may give the other member states the power to actually force reform.

A Europe of strong independent and sovereign states can be so beneficial for the world and each other and that's where I want things and I'm prepared to vote leave because I see no other way to get to a better Europe. There are a few saying "stay in and work to reform it" but none of them when asked can tell you how to get that reform because they know unless there is a shift at the top in the EU there will be no reform or change. If anyone can tell me how by staying in we will be able to reform the EU I'll listen but so far it hasn't happened even though many voting leave would change if real meaningful reform could be achieved as contrary to what remain thinks many of us in the leave camp are very pro Europe just not the way the EU is doing things.

[Stephen]

Well we have more of a chance if we stay in it rather than turning our backs running away and shutting our selves off.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The scene from Geldof's boat

Really?

Disappointed ..

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Surely its best to remain part of it and try to sort out problems and try to improve things from the inside

Didn't we try that with David Cameron's tour of Europe and negotiations only a few months ago?

It simply did not work. It will never work. The EU are not interested in anything other than a United States of Europe. It's that simple.

[Horizon]

Google has released data on its search results suggesting how the vote might go:

http://www.alphr.com/google/1003697/...rce=newsletter

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Didn't we try that with David Cameron's tour of Europe and negotiations only a few months ago?

It simply did not work. It will never work. The EU are not interested in anything other than a United States of Europe. It's that simple.

Someone pointed out during Gove's question time that the EU leaders bent over backwards for Greece, yet what did we get from Cameron's "negotiations"?

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Stephen I spent ten years hoping the EU would abandon the federal superstate (snip)_

This is what I don't understand about the other European leaders, they constantly talk about "more Europe", a central Treasury, a EU army (coming soon) and many other things, yet none of them, as far as I can gather, want a Federal Europe.

I follow the Germans most closely as lets be honest the other countries are just sheep. And Merkel has repeatedly said she doesn't, nor do the German people want a federal Europe. Which begs the question, what do they want?