United Europe

[Jerrek]

Apply to become the 52nd state.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Apply to become the 52nd state.

hey you never know if me compo claim works out then i might just join you lot over there , the first one is on you though

[Xaccers]

We are just so different from other europeans though, probably because we're an island and so don't get influenced as much.
I say lets look into joining with Oz, NZ, Canada and the US, see what the actual outcome could be, pros and cons, and above all be honest about it, as I feel the gov hasn't been honest about europe.
Actually, if they had made the pros and cons clearer, and been honest, and more importantly, been seen to be honest, people wouldn't have such a problem with it.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I feel the gov hasn't been honest about europe..

The rest of Europe are not be honest about Europe either. There millions disappearing every year

Originally Posted by downquark1

Clicking on the point will take you to the exact post it meant.

You may annoy people less if you implied in the post that if the situation were to change you might reasess your opinion, otherwise people may label you as a euro-hater

Having established who repped me and what their views are, I think I can safely say I didn't annoy them

I'm happy to modify my views on Europe if I see or hear something significant enough, although at the moment France and Germany getting away with treaty violations and the state of the budget are hardly good adverts for the EU.

As for risking being labelled a Euro-hater ... well, I can hardly post the entirety of my belief on any subject in each post I make, can I? I'd be writing half a dozen essays a day if I did that. It's better to build a discussion of a point of view into an entire thread, I think, rather than a single post.

[Xaccers]

Didn't Portugal get fined for breaking the rules to save their economy?

And I can understand the excuse Germany has, with the way re-unification was mis-handled, but what's France's excuse for screwing things up?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Didn't Portugal get fined for breaking the rules to save their economy?

And I can understand the excuse Germany has, with the way re-unification was mis-handled, but what's France's excuse for screwing things up?

France's excuse for anything is France's self-interest.

I envy the way they feel able to just give that Gallic shrug before sticking up a middle finger at everyone else and then getting on with doing what suits them.

I wish we would do that a little more instead of being cursed with a Civil Service that enthusiastically implements every Euro-directive to the strictest possible interpretation.

The day we join the Euro is the day I seriously consider emigrating.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Apply to become the 52nd state.

:p

yes why not better then being in europe

from the article:

Mr Eichel has reminded his colleagues that his country is a victim of slower economic growth than forecast and says the rules should be applied flexibly.

the last time i saw some economic data the uk economy was steady and rising in growth terms

this is why going in to europe is such a bad idea someone else controls your government spending budget etc each country has its own needs