Yet again - farcical words from Cameron

Originally Posted by Gary L

Everybody knows that those who are forced to work on the slave labour schemes are discounted on the unemployment figures when they come knocking.

don't you?

Ahem

The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance fell by 36,700 in November to 1.27 million, the 13th consecutive monthly cut.

People on "slave labour schemes" still claim JSA ,and one of those "slave labour schemes" just got my oldest son a full time job in an export company

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

Ahem




People on "slave labour schemes" still claim JSA ,and one of those "slave labour schemes" just got my oldest son a full time job in an export company

Excellent news mate! Best of luck to him. Just goes to show there's often work out there for those who really want it and are prepared to graft to get what they want. Trouble is some folk prefer whining about their lives, blaming others for their failures and living off everyone else...

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Ahem




People on "slave labour schemes" still claim JSA ,and one of those "slave labour schemes" just got my oldest son a full time job in an export company

I've said before how it works.
when somebody is in the hands of A4e and the likes. they are effectively classed as in employment. yes they're still on JSA, but it is A4e and the likes that are paying them now. the JSA claim is kept live in the background. but doesn't count when as I said they come knocking for figures.

Infact, to back this up. it's very common that when someone is placed on one of these courses, and if they are also claiming housing benefit at the time. their claim for housing benefit will/may cease. simply because they are no longer claiming the qualifying JSA or any other qualifying benefit. and have to reclaim the HB. whilst in the meantime receiving a bill for full rent until that claim where they state that they are on a government slave labour scheme.

infact. think of how many hundreds of thousands that are now on these schemes that the government said they were doing. it's only logical that these figures tie into the stated claims of unemployment figures.


well done to your son. why didn't you tell us before now that he got a job? you'll have people thinking you're making it up

Originally Posted by Gary L

I've said before how it works.
when somebody is in the hands of A4e and the likes. they are effectively classed as in employment. yes they're still on JSA, but it is A4e and the likes that are paying them now. the JSA claim is kept live in the background. but doesn't count when as I said they come knocking for figures.

well done to your son. why didn't you tell us before now that he got a job? you'll have people thinking you're making it up

Why would i do that ??

It doesn't matter who pays the JSA it is still a JSA claim and as i have shown those figures are falling and as of 6th Jan my son is no longer a JSA claimant

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

It doesn't matter who pays the JSA it is still a JSA claim

But it's not counted when totting up the score.

and as i have shown those figures are falling and as of 6th Jan my son is no longer a JSA claimant

He wasn't a JSA claimant whilst he was on the scheme either.

I'm not arguing. I'm just telling

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Oh here we go again, have a go at Arthur for ranting on about the Tories. Since when have the Tories looked after the working man / woman on the street.

They bring out systems that hit the worker and the unemployed, what about the person who has been made redundant due to the cuts made by the government, is it there fault they are on benefit.

Food Banks have increased more under a Tory government than ever before. They are crippling this country, with the cutbacks.

I have been unemployed three times during my life, the longest period was two years, and its not funny trying to live on benefit.

The government can invent figures to please himself, and make them look good. You try telling the unemployed who are desperate for work and turn up for an interview and find there are 200/300 wanting the same job.

Yes, people might have a dig at me for being anti tory, but they are earning big money off the taxpayer and are on a right fiddle and get away with it.

In January when all the workers are getting laid off as they are not wanted by companies and shops after the xmas rush, what is the government going to do with them - put them in training schemes that dont work or on schemes where they will work for nothing to claim their benefit.

I was put on a training scheme for two weeks, and given a mobile phone at the end of it and told to walk for jobs. These schemes are a total wasite of time.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Yes, people might have a dig at me for being anti tory, but they are earning big money off the taxpayer and are on a right fiddle and get away with it.
.

Nowt to do with you being anti tory ,it's just that usually the factual element of your posts is non existent and more resembles a drunken rant in a pub

[alferret]

Couldn't we say "oh here we go again, same non factual rants without substantive evidence from Arthur" (ssh, we do)
Thing is Arthur just because you see the world in a different light, didn't mean to say you are right. You are in a very small minority on this board that slates the current gov, although you are by far the most vocal in that small number.
It seems to me that you expect the gov and the tax payers to give even more money to individuals who are out of work and for the gov to magic jobs out of thin air!
I would like for you to explain how you would make the changes you would like to see, then tell us where the money will come from (without borrowing) and then formulate a plan to get out of work people into work where there are no jobs!
Have you ever in your life actually day down and worked out how your insane rants are supposed to be justified.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I've said before how it works.
when somebody is in the hands of A4e and the likes. they are effectively classed as in employment. yes they're still on JSA, but it is A4e and the likes that are paying them now. the JSA claim is kept live in the background. but doesn't count when as I said they come knocking for figures.

Infact, to back this up. it's very common that when someone is placed on one of these courses, and if they are also claiming housing benefit at the time. their claim for housing benefit will/may cease. simply because they are no longer claiming the qualifying JSA or any other qualifying benefit. and have to reclaim the HB. whilst in the meantime receiving a bill for full rent until that claim where they state that they are on a government slave labour scheme.

infact. think of how many hundreds of thousands that are now on these schemes that the government said they were doing. it's only logical that these figures tie into the stated claims of unemployment figures.


well done to your son. why didn't you tell us before now that he got a job? you'll have people thinking you're making it up

The facts, rather than your interpretation of them.

Work Experience and the Work Programme

12. The help and support introduced by the coalition government since 2010 has once again affected the way young people are recorded in the JSA statistics. Unlike the Future Jobs Fund, those taking up opportunities through the Work Experience programme continue to claim JSA while on their placement and only flow off benefit once they move into a regular job.

13.Young people referred to a Work Programme provider, typically after 9 months on JSA, continue to receive JSA rather than being moved to a training allowance and only leave once they find a regular job. These changes, which are still working their way through, have had a significant effect on the number of people on JSA in the 6-12 month and 12 month plus durations, which in total was 163,300 in March 2012.

This actually made the figures rise when it was introduced.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...mant-count.pdf

[Arthurgray50@blu]

When l was unemployed - my JSA was £72.00 per week and that was for a family, child benefit had stopped.

My rent was £48.00and we had to find council from that also. we were told we couldn't claim for anything else.

How can you live on £20 per week. you cannot, we had a key meter for electric and gas.

Everything went. We asked for a grant to cover travelling expenses for jobs, we were told to walk.

I have a disabled son who gets benefit each month, and part of our benefit was cut due to this benefit. So basically we had approx £30.00 per week left to survive on.

You cannot survive on that. Remember the UK is not a third world country, and the voters of this country should not have to go through this.

With all the aid that is given out by this country to others, this should be given to the voters of this country.

When Cameron stands up in the commons and says that this country is thriving under their rule, he should take a look at the people that are queuing up at Food Banks seeking food for their families - and see what his policies are doing to this country.

And a figure recently said that Osborne borrows more money that Labour ever did.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

You cannot survive on that. Remember the UK is not a third world country, and the voters of this country should not have to go through this.

.

You did .

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When l was unemployed - my JSA was £72.00 per week and that was for a family, child benefit had stopped.

My rent was £48.00and we had to find council from that also. we were told we couldn't claim for anything else.

How can you live on £20 per week. you cannot, we had a key meter for electric and gas.

Everything went. We asked for a grant to cover travelling expenses for jobs, we were told to walk.

I have a disabled son who gets benefit each month, and part of our benefit was cut due to this benefit. So basically we had approx £30.00 per week left to survive on.

You cannot survive on that. Remember the UK is not a third world country, and the voters of this country should not have to go through this.

With all the aid that is given out by this country to others, this should be given to the voters of this country.

When Cameron stands up in the commons and says that this country is thriving under their rule, he should take a look at the people that are queuing up at Food Banks seeking food for their families - and see what his policies are doing to this country.

And a figure recently said that Osborne borrows more money that Labour ever did.

If child benefit had stopped, that will be because they were no longer children. If they still lived with you they would have their own income from wages and/or benefits. A contribution to rent and household expenses would be expected to come from that.

Wouldn't Housing Benefit have been paid?

The borrowing figures story came from Labour and was typically nonsense and misleading. Labour borrowed more in their last 3 years, than this government has in it's first 3. The budgets for 2010/11 for governments departments, councils etc would have been set by April 2010, ie under Labour. Borrowing in relation to those budgets would be down to Labour.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Housing benefit was paid, thats why the money was less, this was five years ago that l was unemployed.

I was on a training scheme when l got the job l am with now. And l nearly lost it as l was told to sign on at the same time as the interview.

The JC's do not give you any help whatsoever. They would not give me a grant to cover the first months money, l was told talk walk from my house in Isleworth to North London. And if they were to give me a grant, l had to take FIVE buses, to get there.

When you are unemployed, you don't get any help financially, as far as they are concerned you have got a job, and thats it.

The training scheme that they ordered me to take, was sitting in a room from 9.30 to 3.00 and listening to a salesman going on about go to a building site, find out who the company is that will be there, then cold the company.

There has to be a better incentive to find employment, at this time of year when people are looking for work, they have no chance.

Most companies close down for approx two weeks. Except for supermarkets that have already taken on the staff they need.

The government dont seem to have the idea of what to do to help them. I have told loads of my mates what to do - but at the end of the day, some don't have computers or mobiles to chase these jobs up.

When you go for the adverts - most of them are agencies. And they make money out of you.

Yes, it was nerarly five years since i was out of work, but that heartache that l went through, l can see what is happening today with the unemployed.

And the government is not doing enough.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Oh here we go again, have a go at Arthur for ranting on about the Tories. Since when have the Tories looked after the working man / woman on the street.

They bring out systems that hit the worker and the unemployed, what about the person who has been made redundant due to the cuts made by the government, is it there fault they are on benefit.

Food Banks have increased more under a Tory government than ever before. They are crippling this country, with the cutbacks.

I have been unemployed three times during my life, the longest period was two years, and its not funny trying to live on benefit.

The government can invent figures to please himself, and make them look good. You try telling the unemployed who are desperate for work and turn up for an interview and find there are 200/300 wanting the same job.

Yes, people might have a dig at me for being anti tory, but they are earning big money off the taxpayer and are on a right fiddle and get away with it.

In January when all the workers are getting laid off as they are not wanted by companies and shops after the xmas rush, what is the government going to do with them - put them in training schemes that dont work or on schemes where they will work for nothing to claim their benefit.

I was put on a training scheme for two weeks, and given a mobile phone at the end of it and told to walk for jobs. These schemes are a total wasite of time.

Speaking of food banks

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tories-2943770

I wonder if that's really what happened and how long it'll take for some "facts" to be produced about food banks being introduced under tony's mob and it's the wrecked economies fault blah blah.

The bit about the reduced food it true to, the woman that served me yesterday said there'd been a scuffle that day.

[alferret]

Lol sorry Arthur, you just stated that your woes were when you was out of work and that it was 5 years ago. Now forgive me for being a bit thick but who was it that was in power in..... er.... 2008?
Nuff said!