Police helicopter crashes into Glasgow pub roof - Page 2

**Mick** · 30-11-2013, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Derek

Sadly I don't think I will.

This is from another forum so can't be confirmed but it's tying in with what I'm hearing from elsewhere.

Eye witness reports on the news state that the copter just dropped like a stone, but what some witnesses say was strange was the lack of explosion when it hit the pub, if indeed the fuel tanks were empty, due to a leak of some kind. It would certainly tie in to what the witnesses are saying and what could have happened.

Nevertheless, it is a tragic scene and multiple familes have lost loved ones.

**Chris** · 30-11-2013, 10:54

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

A reporter from one of the red tops was in a car park opposite and said that the rotors weren't turning as the chopper came down but the engine was running but sounding odd. His training in journalism would make him a credible witness.

Linky for those with access

If true it points to a serious mechanical failure in the gearbox or rotor mechanism. A chopper can land safely even when the engine stops so long as it's high enough (>500 ft)

Autorotation? I was wondering about that. It looks like this all came upon the crew very suddenly.

Thinking and praying for everyone involved.

Osem · 30-11-2013, 10:57

It's a tragedy which could have been far worse it seems. It'd be sadly ironic if a lack of fuel caused/contributed to the crash but at the same time saved a great many lives.

Russ · 30-11-2013, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Derek

Sadly I don't think I will.

This is from another forum so can't be confirmed but it's tying in with what I'm hearing from elsewhere.

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Nowhere near a priority in this but is there a particular reason why they're referred to as 'Souls' and not 'people'? Not saying they shouldn't or anything, just curious.

Derek · 30-11-2013, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Russ

Nowhere near a priority in this but is there a particular reason why they're referred to as 'Souls' and not 'people'? Not saying they shouldn't or anything, just curious.

Dunno. Every time there is an incident involving aircraft the people on board are referred to as such. Not sure if it's a police thing or aviation in general.

Russ · 30-11-2013, 12:33

Fair enough

From watching Sky News this morning it appears the local community spirit was incredible, so many people trying to get in to the place to help people out. Duncan Bannatyne said on Twitter this morning that Glasgow is unique in that way and reminded everyone about what happened with that idiot trying to bomb the airport.

nashville · 30-11-2013, 13:40

We were on the way home last night and the ambulance and police were coming from all directions, we knew something awful was happening, but it was when we got home we heard what it was. It is dreadful, as far as I hear the people were helping others out the pub before the emergency service came. They are praised for what they did, not a hindrance at all.

Frazz · 30-11-2013, 13:49

Spent 5 years as a relief air observer with Strathclyde police, they are a tight, dedicated hard working team with terrific support from bond and their pilots, my thoughts are with all involved and affected by this.

thenry · 30-11-2013, 13:59

RIP

Frazz · 30-11-2013, 14:52

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Yes, every chopper pilot has to do an unpowered descent and landing as part of pilot training and getting a licence so running out of fuel or an engine stopping shouldn't have been the cause. That's why I would tend to think of drivetrain problems.

They need to an annual line check with the training pilot to ensure they are up to standard and during this flight they need to do an unpowered autorotation descent as part of the test. Is very scary to be in the helicopter when they do this even when you know they have planned to do this and the engines are idling and can be run up to full power if needed when doing this landing, is basically a controlled crash

Uncle Peter · 30-11-2013, 15:01

A nightmare scenario come true.

RIP.

Russ · 30-11-2013, 16:11

Death toll now 8.

denphone · 30-11-2013, 17:02

Terrible news as we feared.

Stephen · 30-11-2013, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Russ

Fair enough

From watching Sky News this morning it appears the local community spirit was incredible, so many people trying to get in to the place to help people out. Duncan Bannatyne said on Twitter this morning that Glasgow is unique in that way and reminded everyone about what happened with that idiot trying to bomb the airport.

Us weegies always pull together Russ.

Nidge41 · 01-12-2013, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Frazz

They need to an annual line check with the training pilot to ensure they are up to standard and during this flight they need to do an unpowered autorotation descent as part of the test. Is very scary to be in the helicopter when they do this even when you know they have planned to do this and the engines are idling and can be run up to full power if needed when doing this landing, is basically a controlled crash

What happens if the engines are mullered? it's going to drop like a stone to the ground.

No amount of training can recreate a helicopter crash.