120M : Great when 120Mb works.

[Another VM User]

Simply put. Twas magic

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

At 120Mb you would download 10Gb just over 10 minutes. You looking for faster than that?

When you want to download and watch a film, 5+ minutes is still too long to wait.

I can't wait for the time when 5-10GB can be done in under a minute, 30 seconds ideally.

And still there's UHD files to come along with even bigger files when we hit max resolutions.

[Another VM User]

So don't wait!. Start the download - wait a minute or so - and let VLC player open it - it'll download as you watch it

[alanbjames]

I dont really trust speedtest.net anymore.

Most of the time it tells me im getting 93mb yet can max out to 15mb/s. I tend to use the one on Thinkbroadband it seems to give me a better reading.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Jumping

Isnt the profile for 120mb something like 133mbit? So you should be able to squeeze out a bit more if all the stars are aligned etc etc

Yes

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Originally Posted by roughbeast

I think most of us on 120Mb get 125 or 126Mb in speed tests. This is because our modems are configured to 130Mb.

However, I have yet to see that convert to downloading a file at 15.75MB per second. Maybe someone has.

It's 133. However you won't get the full speed with a file download because the way you normally download files has additional overheads. The 133Mbit is the payload rate coming out the DOCSIS modem.

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Originally Posted by ethan103

When you want to download and watch a film, 5+ minutes is still too long to wait.

Clearly you're the type that's too impatient to go to the cinema, or take a bus...

[jarrodstrachan]

From newsgroups using SABNzbd I often get 133Mbps or about 16.7MB/s, whether that is a false reading I don't know, but the downloading is often done before I even check

[Kushan]

There will always be a need for more speed, there always has and there always will be. It doesn't matter if you're waiting 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours for a film to download, you work with what you've got and you plan accordingly but it's always nice to have more.

If you want instant access, there's absolutely nothing stopping you streaming that content other than the content being available from a provider like netflix - and then, you really do only have a few seconds to wait. If you want to download and keep those films, then that's your choice but there will always be a wait for it because there's no such thing as an infinite, instant connection.

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by MUD_Wizard

Compression. Lots of empty space or repetition in the file that can be reduced.

If it was random or already compressed data then you'd have to download that file at 28.5MB/sec to have it finish in 60 seconds, or it'd take 1.9 minutes as you say @ 15MB/sec.

a possible explanation. Thanks I hadn't thought of that.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Yes



Clearly you're the type that's too impatient to go to the cinema, or take a bus...

?

I regularly go to the cinema, by car :/

I meant when you sit down and are ready to watch a film, staring at a screen for 5-10 mins is no fun...

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Originally Posted by Kushan

There will always be a need for more speed, there always has and there always will be. It doesn't matter if you're waiting 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours for a film to download, you work with what you've got and you plan accordingly but it's always nice to have more.

If you want instant access, there's absolutely nothing stopping you streaming that content other than the content being available from a provider like netflix - and then, you really do only have a few seconds to wait. If you want to download and keep those films, then that's your choice but there will always be a wait for it because there's no such thing as an infinite, instant connection.

I prefer quality, hence I do not use Netflix.

Most of the time my films are via Blu-Ray however if it starts raining or the weather goes bad a option is to download a film, which takes a long time.

Also considering files will only get bigger, especially with UHD and then pushing resolutions even further will only create massive video files.

I'd say anything from 1Gb to 10Gb connections will do fine, eventually, they will be available..

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ethan103

?

I regularly go to the cinema, by car :/

I meant when you sit down and are ready to watch a film, staring at a screen for 5-10 mins is no fun...

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I prefer quality, hence I do not use Netflix.

Most of the time my films are via Blu-Ray however if it starts raining or the weather goes bad a option is to download a film, which takes a long time.

Also considering files will only get bigger, especially with UHD and then pushing resolutions even further will only create massive video files.

I'd say anything from 1Gb to 10Gb connections will do fine, eventually, they will be available..

Your logic doesn't make sense. You admit to watching blu-rays generally - these do not magically and instantly appear as you need them, you have to either order them on-line or go out and buy them. Either way, there's a substantial wait involved, from at least 24hours if ordering online to a few hours drive to the shop. Even if you happen to live next door to an Asda, you can't realistically expect to go in, pick a film, pay for it and get out in less than 5 mins. Yet you don't generally sit there and think that you fancy watching a film, then go to the shops and buy one, you tend to buy them in advance with the intention of watching them later. Why are online downloads so different? You download the films you want to watch in advance and they're there for you when you need them. So what if it takes 5 mins to download, you should really have a few downloaded at a time (at least) to watch when you're ready.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Your logic doesn't make sense. You admit to watching blu-rays generally - these do not magically and instantly appear as you need them, you have to either order them on-line or go out and buy them. Either way, there's a substantial wait involved, from at least 24hours if ordering online to a few hours drive to the shop. Even if you happen to live next door to an Asda, you can't realistically expect to go in, pick a film, pay for it and get out in less than 5 mins. Yet you don't generally sit there and think that you fancy watching a film, then go to the shops and buy one, you tend to buy them in advance with the intention of watching them later. Why are online downloads so different? You download the films you want to watch in advance and they're there for you when you need them. So what if it takes 5 mins to download, you should really have a few downloaded at a time (at least) to watch when you're ready.

I use LoveFilm so I have films queued and I know when they will arrive and what days I will have a film to watch, so this in some ways is "planned" as they send out 3 discs at a time. So whenever I have time to watch a film, usually once every couple of days, I can watch it and by the time I have sent it back and have time to watch another, the next one is sent so I have 3 again to choose from.

If i download a film, its usually because someone recommended it or like I said friends/family come round and want to watch a film.

Then, a ~5GB would require a wait.

Also, even with programs/games/drivers/software.

These can easily be 200MB - GB's.


And you forget that with 4K and 8K in the near future, as well as console game downloads and so on, files are only ever getting bigger.

e.g.

Uncompressed 4K trailer of "The Amazing Spiderman" = 500GB.

A trailer. 500GB.

Try downloading that even with 120Mb & STM kicking in too.

Doubt you would even see the trailer that afternoon.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ethan103

I use LoveFilm so I have films queued and I know when they will arrive and what days I will have a film to watch, so this in some ways is "planned" as they send out 3 discs at a time. So whenever I have time to watch a film, usually once every couple of days, I can watch it and by the time I have sent it back and have time to watch another, the next one is sent so I have 3 again to choose from.

If i download a film, its usually because someone recommended it or like I said friends/family come round and want to watch a film.

Then, a ~5GB would require a wait.

Also, even with programs/games/drivers/software.

These can easily be 200MB - GB's.


And you forget that with 4K and 8K in the near future, as well as console game downloads and so on, files are only ever getting bigger.

e.g.

Uncompressed 4K trailer of "The Amazing Spiderman" = 500GB.

A trailer. 500GB.

Try downloading that even with 120Mb & STM kicking in too.

Doubt you would even see the trailer that afternoon.

Of course the trailer is 500Gb, it's uncompressed. An uncompressed SD film uses over 100GB of space - for Standard Definition, yet ****** MPEG2 compression can knock that down to fit on a DVD. Uncompressed HD films would take up nearly 1TB of space, depending on the length of the film (Some even going over that) yet the majority fit just fine on a 25GB disk and most downloads are under 15GB for 1080p. The size of uncompressed video is completely and utterly irrelevant. This is why we have compression like h.264 and the new h.265, which has twice the compression ratio at the same quality as h.264 - this means that 4k films will work out to be about twice the size of 1080p (So what, 30GB or less?), not several TB's.

Either way, you're still going to be in the same boat if your connection doubles or triples, you'll still have to wait for the files to download if you're not going to stream it. You have to make a tradeoff, you can have the best quality or instant acccess - you cannot have both. That's just how it is. You will always have to decide what you want to watch in advance if downloading. What I don't understand is why you seem unable to do this, you can do it with Blu-rays, so why not downloads?
If your friends come over and recommend a film to watch, they won't expect you to have it there, or they'll accept that quality won't necessarily be 1080p because it has to be streamed.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Of course the trailer is 500Gb, it's uncompressed. An uncompressed SD film uses over 100GB of space - for Standard Definition, yet ****** MPEG2 compression can knock that down to fit on a DVD. Uncompressed HD films would take up nearly 1TB of space, depending on the length of the film (Some even going over that) yet the majority fit just fine on a 25GB disk and most downloads are under 15GB for 1080p. The size of uncompressed video is completely and utterly irrelevant. This is why we have compression like h.264 and the new h.265, which has twice the compression ratio at the same quality as h.264 - this means that 4k films will work out to be about twice the size of 1080p (So what, 30GB or less?), not several TB's.

Either way, you're still going to be in the same boat if your connection doubles or triples, you'll still have to wait for the files to download if you're not going to stream it. You have to make a tradeoff, you can have the best quality or instant acccess - you cannot have both. That's just how it is. You will always have to decide what you want to watch in advance if downloading. What I don't understand is why you seem unable to do this, you can do it with Blu-rays, so why not downloads?
If your friends come over and recommend a film to watch, they won't expect you to have it there, or they'll accept that quality won't necessarily be 1080p because it has to be streamed.

A 5GB HD Movie would take 40 seconds on a 1Gb connection.

These speeds are available in certain countries.

Double that speed and its around 20 seconds.

This is what I am saying will be needed when files get bigger and larger.

My point is, you cannot simply say "faster speeds are not needed" as they clearly are.

I am also not saying I expect these speeds tomorrow.

They will take time some time but they will be here as they are needed.

I would IDEALLY want all downloads in 30 seconds - 1 minute.

That is my personal preference.

With Games and Movies growing in size, connection speeds need to keep up.

Understand?

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ethan103

A 5GB HD Movie would take 40 seconds on a 1Gb connection.

These speeds are available in certain countries.

Double that speed and its around 20 seconds.

This is what I am saying will be needed when files get bigger and larger.

My point is, you cannot simply say "faster speeds are not needed" as they clearly are.

I am also not saying I expect these speeds tomorrow.

They will take time some time but they will be here as they are needed.

I would IDEALLY want all downloads in 30 seconds - 1 minute.

That is my personal preference.

With Games and Movies growing in size, connection speeds need to keep up.

Understand?

I understand what you're trying to say, but you're missing my point entirely. You do not NEED to have any of that downloaded within 30s or 1min. You can wait 5, 10, 20 or even 60minutes if necessary because that's just how the internet works. Faster speeds would be nice, but to claim that they're necessary just so you can download an UHD film in under a minute is ridiculous - that is not necessary and you have plenty of ways to mitigate that need to have a file in 30s, such as deciding ahead of time what you want to watch or downloading films into your library ahead of time.
Or streaming them. Even in UHD, at 30GB for a 90min film, you only need a 50mbit connection to stream that in real time. There's absolutely no need for a 1gbit connection, it's purely about convenience that you're talking about.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by ethan103

?

I regularly go to the cinema, by car :/

I meant when you sit down and are ready to watch a film, staring at a screen for 5-10 mins is no fun...

But the 20 minutes staring at the windshield, 5 minutes staring at the guy in the queue in front of you, couple minutes staring at the parking meter or 20 minutes staring at a screen you can't control force feeding you adverts is perfectly OK?