How about some equality for fathers?

Well as a feminist myself I have no truck with women who use their children as weapons.I have no truck with either sex doing that.

However there was a time when an abused wife leaving her children at the marital home because she did not have anywhere to take her children would lose custody of them and the abusive husband would most definitely use the children against the wife.

Things have changed enormously since the 50s and 60s thanks in part to feminists and to far sighted and empathetic men.

However I really think things have swung too far the other way and it is high time this fact was noted and things rebalanced.

Originally Posted by richard1960

In the same way men such as myself would like to be treated equally in the family courts no doubt.

Fair dos Hugh.

Totally agree (as someone who was treated very unfairly, imho, towards visitation/custody/etc rights around my children from my first marriage in the 70's/80's).

However, I don't let one area of unfairness towards men blind me to the multiple areas of unfairness that did exist (and still do in some areas) towards women.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well as a feminist myself I have no truck with women who use their children as weapons.I have no truck with either sex doing that.

However there was a time when an abused wife leaving her children at the marital home because she did not have anywhere to take her children would lose custody of them and the abusive husband would most definitely use the children against the wife.

Things have changed enormously since the 50s and 60s thanks in part to feminists and to far sighted and empathetic men.

However I really think things have swung too far the other way and it is high time this fact was noted and things rebalanced.

Thats a fair point Maggy,and yes i acknowledge what you say regarding abused wives which has no place at all in a civil society nobody should have to put up with abuse.

And thank goodnees for women things have moved on.

I agree with your sentiments.

[deadite66]

to me feminist means they want equality except where the inequality is in their favor.

[Osem]

http://www.parents4protest.co.uk/muddy_family_law.htm

IMHO, one only has to look at what happens whenever issues such as this and rape come up to see the disparity in treatment between males and females. Any changes aimed at ensuring fairer treatment of men are challenged in the media by women's groups such as those mentioned in the article above with the sole intention of preserving what is a state of inequality - ironic given that these same groups often seem to shout loudly about the need for equality.

It's obvious for all to see that women have (understandably and rightly in many cases) formed and far better utilised many more lobbying and support groups than their male counterparts. There's no doubt in my mind that this accounts in large part for the disparity in family law and even the appalling lack of support services provided to male victims of say domestic violence and the lack of screening offered for male cancers. Those who shout loudest and all that.....

It's true that these groups individually may not have much obvious power but combined they have clearly been able to drive an agenda and influence government decision making at the highest level, often very positively. My belief is, however, that the same process has led to the current highly skewed legislation men find themselves the victims of. When one side in an argument is far better organised and represented than the other it's not surprising that one set of rights gets subjugated. That's what led to the women's movement in the first place isn't it.



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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well as a feminist myself I have no truck with women who use their children as weapons.I have no truck with either sex doing that.

However there was a time when an abused wife leaving her children at the marital home because she did not have anywhere to take her children would lose custody of them and the abusive husband would most definitely use the children against the wife.

Things have changed enormously since the 50s and 60s thanks in part to feminists and to far sighted and empathetic men.

However I really think things have swung too far the other way and it is high time this fact was noted and things rebalanced.

Originally Posted by deadite66

to me feminist means they want equality except where the inequality is in their favor.

Got some examples?

I'm not sure what was being proposed could someone clarify.Is it being proposed that the father should have the right to equally shared time with the child if possible and practicable with exceptions for some fathers ?.
Or is it being proposed that fathers will be forced to share time equally with the child as a matter of law and if they don't they would be breaking the law ? because they are two very different things