Pride of OAP and the cruel Energy Companies

Originally Posted by martyh

not just OAP's and people on benefits ,i bet there are people who are working and struggling to pay heating bills

I made a point earlier about my ex manager who was over 60 bt still working and earning a good wage getting the winter fuel allowance he clearly did not need it but got it,and those working people who earn say minimum wage who struggle and are not entitled to the winter fuel allowance ,seems there is an inbuilt inequality in the system.

Originally Posted by richard1960

I made a point earlier about my ex manager who was over 60 bt still working and earning a good wage getting the winter fuel allowance he clearly did not need it but got it,and those working people who earn say minimum wage who struggle and are not entitled to the winter fuel allowance ,seems there is an inbuilt inequality in the system.

most definitely .It seems to be a trademark with the whole benefits system ,money going to people who don't realy need it and not to those who do

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Originally Posted by martyh

most definitely .It seems to be a trademark with the whole benefits system ,money going to people who don't realy need it and not to those who do

You are spot on with that opinion.

Originally Posted by denphone

You are spot on with that opinion.

I know it's expensive but maybe it's time to start means testing more benefits

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

I know it's expensive but maybe it's time to start means testing more benefits

l am all for means testing but we have to be very careful that the people who need help from the system get the right help and the people who fiddle the system do not get help and get found out.

OAP's, certain benefit claimants and people on low wages all of us will struggle this winter as we struggled last winter but we adapt couple of years ago there was a sale on at B&M on quilts we bought two one for me one for the wife. Might look like a couple of planks sat on the couch wrapped up but beats the hell out of being cold which doesn't help my condition and it is an option everyone has.

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We might all complain about energy bills and costs of heating, but let's remember that it is only 20 or so years that central heating systems have become commonplace. Before then many would accept they should be adding extra layers of clothing.

There are also special tariff available to the elderly that mean they can totally fix their energy budget and not have to worry about use at all. These are typically based around the size and type of the property. They aren't widely publicised because they don't encourage energy efficiency from those who use them. For example if I go round to my 80 year old mother's house (she has been using this tarrff for a number of years) I need to strip down to my T shirt it's so warm.

[Traduk]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

OAP's, certain benefit claimants and people on low wages all of us will struggle this winter as we struggled last winter but we adapt couple of years ago there was a sale on at B&M on quilts we bought two one for me one for the wife. Might look like a couple of planks sat on the couch wrapped up but beats the hell out of being cold which doesn't help my condition and it is an option everyone has.

Putting on mountains of clothing or duvets does not ensure heat retention for everybody.

When I was on blood pressure medication I couldn't keep warm no matter what I did as with a BP of 100\60 and a pulse of 60 there was the usual complaint of peripheral coldness which crept through the body.

Even now when off BP medications and with a natural BP of 120\70 and pulse in the mid 60's I feel the cold due to the loss of body fat via dieting. I hate the cold with a passion but to be a moderately healthy pensioner male means a BMI of a racing whippet and no end of clothing compensates for cold ambient temperatures.

I see somebody in the thread pointed out an example of someone getting the heat allowance whilst in employment. Life isn't fair and never will be. I have always paid tax and probably will do until the day I die. The adjustments under Brown and Darling hit me at least equal to the heating allowance and under Osborne the rates for 65 plus people was not adjusted in keeping with younger people.

The net result is that one way or another the government claws back, via other methods, the amount it gives out with apparent largesse. There is no need for means testing when the Tax coding methodology does it all in an underhand way. Of course heating allowance is not taxable but other changes get it back from those who arguably through the fact that they are tax payers do not need it. Those who do not pay tax do not have it clawed back and nor should they because they need it on a meagre income.

Yesterday an older relative called and again I heard the comment "eat or heat" which is apparently a stark reality for a lot of people with Winter approaching. If the measure of a society is how it treats the old, sick and weak I wonder how many will die this Winter through hypothermia.

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Originally Posted by Rob

We might all complain about energy bills and costs of heating, but let's remember that it is only 20 or so years that central heating systems have become commonplace. Before then many would accept they should be adding extra layers of clothing.

There are also special tariff available to the elderly that mean they can totally fix their energy budget and not have to worry about use at all. These are typically based around the size and type of the property. They aren't widely publicised because they don't encourage energy efficiency from those who use them. For example if I go round to my 80 year old mother's house (she has been using this tarrff for a number of years) I need to strip down to my T shirt it's so warm.

I would disagree with the 20years time line. I bought my current house 30 years ago and nobody would even look at a house without central heating back then or if they did would knock the price down to cover installation costs. It actually started to become commonplace 40 years ago when I bought my first house and I installed it as a priority during refurbishment.

There is a correlation between longevity and the environment that we make for ourselves. Heating is a major factor in longer life as it removes stresses of yesteryear from the equation. Remove that factor and the stress diseases of old will return and cull the older generation.

Your mother doesn't keep her environment so warm just because she can, it is because she needs to because she does not have the metabolism of a 40 something. I feel sure you are grateful that she can enjoy comfort commensurate with her needs

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What l am saying is that OAPs should not have to go through this worry, l know that some are happy, with the help they get, But some won't accept it.

We as a country should look after these people in such a manner, that they needn't worry about bills.

In this day and age, when energy companies are making an absolute fortune, we are all suffering by the sky high bills, but OAPs will suffer more than most.

So how does this reconcile, Arthur, with http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...-downsize.html

My sympathy, while it is there, is fairly minimal for that >50% who might complain about the costs of heating rooms they don't or barely use.

I've far more sympathy for the working poor who don't get a non-means tested allowance to help them heat their homes and may be forced to borrow money to try and make ends meet or tell their kids to put more clothing on to be quite honest. That comes from my own memory of being told to do just that as a child.

Traduk no offence m8 but i don't know anyone that doesn't feel warm wrapped up in a quilt and i have fluctuating BP and heart rate due to the amount of meds i am on but five mins in a 14 tog quilt usually ensures i am warm if not hot. Look i am not saying it's ideal but no one has a reason to be freezing these days and having central heating on all the time whilst nice is a luxury that only the last couple\three generations have had available to them how did people manage before that.

Money is tight all over it isn't just energy bills it is the increasing cost of food and all things we have to buy to live there just isn't the money to have it all as we want so we have to make cuts and adaptations where we can.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Traduk no offence m8 but i don't know anyone that doesn't feel warm wrapped up in a quilt and i have fluctuating BP and heart rate due to the amount of meds i am on but five mins in a 14 tog quilt usually ensures i am warm if not hot. Look i am not saying it's ideal but no one has a reason to be freezing these days and having central heating on all the time whilst nice is a luxury that only the last couple\three generations have had available to them how did people manage before that.

Money is tight all over it isn't just energy bills it is the increasing cost of food and all things we have to buy to live there just isn't the money to have it all as we want so we have to make cuts and adaptations where we can.

Yes Money is tight at the moment, I can only afford to run the one Bugatti Veron and have had to sell one of the yachts leaving me with just the one 300 footer

[Traduk]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Traduk no offence m8 but i don't know anyone that doesn't feel warm wrapped up in a quilt and i have fluctuating BP and heart rate due to the amount of meds i am on but five mins in a 14 tog quilt usually ensures i am warm if not hot. Look i am not saying it's ideal but no one has a reason to be freezing these days and having central heating on all the time whilst nice is a luxury that only the last couple\three generations have had available to them how did people manage before that.

Money is tight all over it isn't just energy bills it is the increasing cost of food and all things we have to buy to live there just isn't the money to have it all as we want so we have to make cuts and adaptations where we can.

If I recall correctly the life expectancy of a male of a couple of generations back was about 62 years old. If you go back any further generations then it enters the domain of medical ignorance, poverty, poor nutrition and environment plus diseases like Polio and Tuberculosis. To give an actuarial taken from 1962 when I had to make pension decisions and particularly regarding "Widows and Orphans" the drawing time for a male pensioner in the company scheme I was entering (civil service terms) was 2 weeks with a retirement age of 60. Of course that was an average with a heck of a lot of minus numbers that never drew a penny. Only 50 years back the world was a different place and one that was far from pleasant.

When I was 2.5 stone heavier a 14 Tog duvet was too much for me and I cooked. Now it barely does the job. If I was unique it would be purely down to my unique characteristics but peers of about the same age have laughingly stated or more aptly their wives that they also wear thermal socks when it is cold. It is possibly unique to BP meds and Statins but cold extremities is a side effect of both.

We are all different but I think that it is important for people to realise that one person's discomfort with just feeling cold can easily be another person's pain. Statins affect muscles, joints and tendons in some people (I am one) and if suffering pain is the result of cold, my experience is somewhat different to a younger person who may remark that they feel cold. If they felt as though they had been whacked across both upper arms with a lump of 4X2 they might get close to what I feel from cold.

It is not personal but a general truism of human nature. We all tend to make judgements based on personal experiences and rarely bother to think or even ask what others may experience because we take it for granted that we are all the same. When I used to visit my parents or father in law in their later lives, entering their homes felt like entering a sauna without steam. With the passing of time, I now know why.

I firmly believe that heat is an essential requirement for older age longevity and lack of affordability will cause major health problems and possibly reverse decades of good.

Other than the fact that my doctor likes my cholesterol levels less than I do (or he did until they went down to current silly low levels) I am generally and fortunately very healthy but whether its Statins or being at my 30 year old weight which reduces cold tolerance I am generally very healthy even though this lot reads like Victor Meldrew on crutches.

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Originally Posted by Kingofthedead4

Yes Money is tight at the moment, I can only afford to run the one Bugatti Veron and have had to sell one of the yachts leaving me with just the one 300 footer

So no luxury £2 million yacht then.

Originally Posted by denphone

So no luxury £2 million yacht then.

he sold it to me so he could boil a kettle for a nice cup of tea

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Originally Posted by martyh

he sold it to me so he could boil a kettle for a nice cup of tea

Make sure you don't get lost then as its easy to sail the wrong way.