'too busy to call an ambulance' - Page 2

Ravenheart · 24-03-2010, 08:32

Breaking news

School head and staff have been suspended this morning over the incident.

Mick Fisher · 24-03-2010, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Ravenheart

Breaking news

School head and staff have been suspended this morning over the incident.

Hmmm....

That report reads like, having failed on numerous occasions to sweep this disgraceful episode under the carpet, Council reluctantly is co-erced into token action by suspending a selection of the school staff involved.

No doubt they will all be on full pay and privileges so it will be a nice extended holiday leave for them all before the inevitable lessons learned statement and they are all exonerated and reinstated.

If there is any justice left in our badly broken system, then heads really should roll, all the way up the gravy chain, over this.

24-03-2010, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

The policy in most schools is to go to the First Aid trained members of staff or the school nurse if the school has one(ours has two having nearly 2000 students).This teacher failed to do that..which does make her culpable IMHO.

agreed involuntary manslaughter I think fits the bill

Osem · 24-03-2010, 16:01

Given all the emphasis (often OTT IMHO) on health and safety in our schools etc., I find it hard to believe that something like this was allowed to happen to a young child with a known and serious condition. It beggars belief!

Flyboy · 24-03-2010, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

While I am not defending her actions at all, it's worth remembering that *some* kids would lie about something like that just to cause disruption. Maybe the kids that called her have a reputation for doing that.

What a thoroughly reprehensible remark, to even suggest that the child, his friend, or his brother could be in any way culpable. A lot of eleven year olds put a tremendous amount of stock in the judgement of teachers and would have trusted her to make the right choices.

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Originally Posted by zing

agreed involuntary manslaughter I think fits the bill

I might be wrong but, I don't think that is a valid verdict in a British coroner's court. I think the equivalent is unlawful killing.

ashgray · 24-03-2010, 17:10

Nothing suprises me these days,my nephew has got cancer and is having chemotherapy at the local hospital.he went to his gp (who incorrectly diagnosed the said cancer by the way) the other day and was asked are you sure you've got cancer.my nephew is sat there with his hair falling out because of the chemo and the gp said are you sure its cancer.
UNBELIEVABLE.
What ever is this country coming to.

Stuart · 24-03-2010, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

What a thoroughly reprehensible remark, to even suggest that the child, his friend, or his brother could be in any way culpable. A lot of eleven year olds put a tremendous amount of stock in the judgement of teachers and would have trusted her to make the right choices.

I did make it clear I was not defending her actions. However, reprehensible or not, I have seen what I described happen. Some kids (not all, or even most) will do something like that.

Hower, I agree with SMG's earlier remark. Whether she thought that or not, it was not her call to decide whether to call an ambulance or not. She should at least have gone to see the child.

**Chris** · 24-03-2010, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I might be wrong but, I don't think that is a valid verdict in a British coroner's court. I think the equivalent is unlawful killing.

Quite right, 'manslaughter' (of any kind) is not a Coroner's verdict. 'Unlawful killing' is. However, whilst Coroner's verdicts generally are arrived at on the balance of probabilities, Unlawful Killing is one of only two Coroner's verdicts which must be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the same standard of proof as would be required in a criminal trial. The only other Coroner's verdict that requires this standard of proof is Suicide.

It is very unlikely that the inquest in this case will result in a verdict of Unlawful Killing IMO.

Flyboy · 24-03-2010, 17:26

I believe it has already arrived at a verdict of "neglect."

ashgray · 24-03-2010, 18:26

It is very unlikely that the inquest in this case will result in a verdict of Unlawful Killing IMO.

I reckon the verdict will be Death By Natural Causes IMO.The head and Staff will return to school and nothing will happen unfortunately.

Flyboy · 24-03-2010, 20:24

The verdict was announced earlier today.

Welshchris · 27-03-2010, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Product 13

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Poor kid. What is it with some people?

I have been there myself teachers dont care as its to much hard work and paperwork.

When i was 11 back in 1993 i was attacked by 2 boys outside form class in school and the 2 boys in question were known bullies. The reason the attacked me was simple, i suffer from a skin problem called Psoriasis through stress and i was punched and kicked so bad it ruptured a disk in my spine and injured my colar bone...

My form teacher said nothing to them, left me on the floor in pain while she screamed at me to get up and stop messing around and if it wasnt for another teacher who we became good friends and its been 12 years since i left school and still in contact an Ambulance would never have been called.

That has left me with a life long disability.

03-04-2010, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

What a thoroughly reprehensible remark, to even suggest that the child, his friend, or his brother could be in any way culpable. A lot of eleven year olds put a tremendous amount of stock in the judgement of teachers and would have trusted her to make the right choices.

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I might be wrong but, I don't think that is a valid verdict in a British coroner's court. I think the equivalent is unlawful killing.

if you look at the post to which my post was a reply you will see Maggy saying the teacher is culpable. I agreed and said involuntary manslaughter at no point did I mention coroners court did I

( sorry about the delay I aint been keeping up)

As the verdict was neglect they will not get criminal charges but that does not mean civil action can not be taken. Those involved should be made to pay one way or another

Osem · 21-07-2010, 16:24

Just an update on this story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-10711293

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School governors have called for the sacking of a staff member after a boy died following an asthma attack.

21-07-2010, 16:55

Yes some kids can be little pains but the end of the day i would never ignore something like this however serious and i don't believe most would either you would at the very least go to the place of the incident and look for yourself. Sorry but if i had a kid that died because someone was too busy going to a meeting they might be guilty of unlawful killing but i would be guilty of much worse afterwards, this was totally disgusting.