[Update] A request - do NTL traffic shape? (Yes, they do)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bill C

fine i take it you want me to shut up then.

Bill mate, if I wanted you to shut up then I'd tell you so - I'm just asking you to step back from this for a second. I'm 99% certain you've got better contacts within ntl than myself. You probably know more about what they've got planned for their customers than I do.

CF isn't an official ntl mouthpiece. They aren't going to tell us anything they want hidden from the public because they've got no control over us.

So anything they's tell us would be on par with what they'd tell any of their customers.

[bopdude]

Well sorry to rub salt in Bill but all OK here, getting full whack...check pm

Originally Posted by Russ D

Bill mate, if I wanted you to shut up then I'd tell you so - I'm just asking you to step back from this for a second. I'm 99% certain you've got better contacts within ntl than myself. You probably know more about what they've got planned for their customers than I do.

CF isn't an official ntl mouthpiece. They aren't going to tell us anything they want hidden from the public because they've got no control over us.

So anything they's tell us would be on par with what they'd tell any of their customers.

But just think.

If you asked them and they refused to answer it, You could then post it as a news story saying that they refused to say anything when asked. And if they said they are NOT and it is then found to be a lie then it will show them up for what they are.

---------- Post added at 20:58 ---------- Previous post was at 20:56 ----------

Originally Posted by bopdude

Well sorry to rub salt in Bill but all OK here, getting full whack...check pm

Its not all areas.

[bopdude]

Ah, I see, thanks mate, and sorry for jumping the gun

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bill C

But just think.

If you asked them and they refused to answer it, You could then post it as a news story saying that they refused to say anything when asked. And if they said they are NOT and it is then found to be a lie then it will show them up for what they are.

Personally I don't see the point - refusing to comment isn't a guarantee of anything, and I don't think ntl would lie to us directly like that. We may not be a mouthpiece but we'd shout loud enough if it was proved they lied to us.

Reading between the lines here (and I'm sure many others are as well, going on what you appear to be saying, coupled with your background and experience) I already see the answer to this.

[trebor]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Without knowing more i cannot say. However if you have had this problem for more than 2 weeks i would say no. My problems started around 2 weeks ago and my speeds are ONLY affected between 6.00pm and 11.00 pm when NTL flick a switch and reduce the service i pay for. Any other time i get a full 10 meg. And to top that i think it ONLY affects 10 meg users

I don't think it's just 10mb customers see this thread (hopes link works)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=52210
I gave up and left NTL

Originally Posted by Russ D

Personally I don't see the point - refusing to comment isn't a guarantee of anything, and I don't think ntl would lie to us directly like that. We may not be a mouthpiece but we'd shout loud enough if it was proved they lied to us.

Reading between the lines here (and I'm sure many others are as well, going on what you appear to be saying, coupled with your background and experience) I already see the answer to this.

Well i think a certain Mr Allot is tinkering.

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:49:57 GMT

1st 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
2nd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
3rd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
4th 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9558 Kbps, 9.34 Mbps


Fastest my connection has been for 2 weeks.



To repeat this test from the source server click here.

Originally Posted by Bill C

Well i think a certain Mr Allot is tinkering.

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:49:57 GMT

1st 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
2nd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
3rd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
4th 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9558 Kbps, 9.34 Mbps


Fastest my connection has been for 2 weeks.



To repeat this test from the source server click here.

Is Russ D still telling you to shut up? Or shouldn't I mention it? Did it happen?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Creative

Is Russ D still telling you to shut up? Or shouldn't I mention it? Did it happen?

Russ D isn't telling him to shut up...

Originally Posted by Russ D

Russ D isn't telling him to shut up...

Yes, that was my point!

[bopdude]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Well i think a certain Mr Allot is tinkering.

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:49:57 GMT

1st 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
2nd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
3rd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
4th 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9558 Kbps, 9.34 Mbps


Fastest my connection has been for 2 weeks.



To repeat this test from the source server click here.

Welcome back to the BB era mate

[SnoopZ]

Always get full wack in Cambridge CB4, so no traffic shaping here yet!

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Can i ask that the Admins / Mods from this site ask there NTL contacts for a answer to the following questions please.

Are they Traffic shaping between 6.00pm and 11.00pm "7.00pm and 12.00pm if they have there time set wrong"

If so did they start around about 2 to 3 weeks ago.

Why is it only affecting 10 meg customers and why have they decided that 10 meg customers are the ones to be shaped.

Why have they NOT seen fit to tell their paying customers that they have done it.

Reasonable question so would have to say I don’t see why an answer is not given.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Our contacts are there for us to put specific issues to - for example if someone has been given the runaround or ntl have messed up their account, that sort of thing.

That's not to say your question isn't a legitimate point - but our contacts aren't set up for that sort of thing.

I can request that they have a look at your post but there's no gauarantee that you'll get an answer to your satisfaction.

Sorry I thought this forum as you say was in no way connected to NTL. So therefore they should answer queries like Bill Cs as above unless we are going back to the days when the site is influenced by NTL and they can pick and choose which queries to answer.

Originally Posted by Bill C

I have and i have had a answer. But i have been told i cannot post that answer . Therefor i want NTL to give that answer.

Exactly spot on again but like me I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that answer to come here.

Originally Posted by dezzo

So reading between the lines they definately are and have just 'forgotten' to tell the people paying for the service.

Nice one Ntl.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Personally I don't see the point - refusing to comment isn't a guarantee of anything, and I don't think ntl would lie to us directly like that. We may not be a mouthpiece but we'd shout loud enough if it was proved they lied to us.

Reading between the lines here (and I'm sure many others are as well, going on what you appear to be saying, coupled with your background and experience) I already see the answer to this.

Lame very lame, almost sounds like NTL paid you to say that although I guess Neil would agree but he can’t as he is not here.

I think the others need to take a step back not just the posters as it seems like we are going down the road of the old forums where the glory threads could be highlighted as a resolve and the difficult threads of gaming issues could be swept under the carpet.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Sorry I thought this forum as you say was in no way connected to NTL. So therefore they should answer queries like Bill Cs as above unless we are going back to the days when the site is influenced by NTL and they can pick and choose which queries to answer.

The relationship we have with ntl is that if a customer has a specific problem with their service (and you know the sort of thing I mean) then they will resolve them. It's not set up for us to put general questions to them in this way. If we put it to them there's no guarantee they'd give us an answer. They wouldn't tell us anything they wouldn't tell you.

Originally Posted by carlingman

Lame very lame, almost sounds like NTL paid you to say that although I guess Neil would agree but he can’t as he is not here.

Sorry you feel that way but all I'm doing is explaining the situation so you don't end up annoyed or disappointed if you don't get what you want.

[machead]

well something is also happening in manchester as here is my tests from friday night to this morning

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:47:32 GMT
1st 128K took 343 ms = 382134 Bytes/sec = approx 3179 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 1632 ms = 80314 Bytes/sec = approx 668 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 442 ms = 296543 Bytes/sec = approx 2467 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 331 ms = 395988 Bytes/sec = approx 3295 kbits/sec


Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:59:42 GMT

1st 512K took 457 ms = 1120.4 KB/sec, approx 9232 Kbps, 9.02 Mbps
2nd 512K took 439 ms = 1166.3 KB/sec, approx 9610 Kbps, 9.38 Mbps
3rd 512K took 431 ms = 1187.9 KB/sec, approx 9788 Kbps, 9.56 Mbps
4th 512K took 439 ms = 1166.3 KB/sec, approx 9610 Kbps, 9.38 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9560 Kbps, 9.34 Mbps

i have NTL coming out on monday but he also isnt going to find the problem as he is coming in the morning and it works fine then