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Originally Posted by BBKing
That'll be a different Abu Hamza to the British citizen (since 1981, by his former marriage) currently locked up awaiting extradition to the US. So a) not an illegal immigrant, b) not supported by the benefit system (but supported in prison by us I suppose) and c) if the extradition goes through he'll be in an orange jumpsuit before his feet touch the ground.
Le Pen - being a European Union citizen doesn't mean you get freedom of movement without any duty to observe the laws of the country you visit - if I went to Germany and started parading about as a Nazi I don't think they'd turn a blind eye.
We have a remarkably tough immigration system, not that immigration is remotely bad for countries, most immigrants are willing to work and at an age where they make a net contribution to society (look around your local hospital and you'll see that a lot of doctors and nurses are immigrants and most of the patients are British).
Human rights - if you argue that human rights should only be applied to particular humans, isn't that discriminatory and thus wrong? Do you then argue that human rights shouldn't apply to anyone, which is absurd and dangerous?
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BBKING,
To respond to your points in question.
Abu Hamza's marriage was proven to be bigamous, hence he gained citizenship via illegal means. I believe there was talk of his citizenship being revoked, although I doubt it will happen. He is on benefits, along with his family. Technically, being in prison, he is supported by the prison system. I don't know if his benefits have been stopped. As for extradition, if it's done through the correct channels I don't think anyone can complain, and I doubt that many will.
Le Pen hadn't broken any laws in the UK. He wasn't even in the UK at the time. Let's not forget that his party was a serious contender for French government. What then? We could have been banning the next French President from our shores? Not sure what the Nazi point is all about? But it seems that anyone can berate England and all it stands for, burn the flag whilst claiming benefits, call for a Holy War against us, and we have to accept it. Is that along the same lines? And who mentioned Germany?
I agree completely, and you have missed the point. I am not against immigration. I am trying to fathom who IS entitled to enter the UK, and why; conversely I am interested in who is stopped from doing so, and why.
You will notice that I usually refer to human rights as "human rights". I am referring to the "human rights" legislation, which I personally believe to be farcical. I believe we should all have rights, however, I also believe that the current legislation favours some more than others, and hence IS discriminatory.
I hope that clarifies things.
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