Post-Brexit Thread

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by RBMark

Yep, they are going to get a control on immigration then if needed start reducing it. Exactly what I thought I was voting for. Leaving people living on the streets of London/Manchester/Birmingham etc with little chance of a safe home or decent job is irresponsible of this government.

Hopefully we can now control immigration, catch up with it, house the current homeless, get them into work. Then get ahead so we have he homes, jobs, school places, hospitals to cope. Seems like a very intelligent way of doing things.

The problem is a large portion of homeless people choose to live the way they do. So even if they were given housing I think a lot might not take the offer. A lot won't take the help on offer so you can't really blame the government totally.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Stephen

A fact is it will rain here.

However when that will be I don't know. Still makes it a fact though!

Looking like it might fact here too.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

People are asked, when polled, these questions.

Everyone?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RBMark

Yep, they are going to get a control on immigration then if needed start reducing it. Exactly what I thought I was voting for. Leaving people living on the streets of London/Manchester/Birmingham etc with little chance of a safe home or decent job is irresponsible of this government.

Hopefully we can now control immigration, catch up with it, house the current homeless, get them into work. Then get ahead so we have he homes, jobs, school places, hospitals to cope. Seems like a very intelligent way of doing things.

So given there's going to be at least 2 year gap ( probably a lot more before we exit), if I was considering coming to the UK I'd rush to do it now. The French will not have the Calais camp, we'll have to deal with at Dover and the negotiated 'emergency brake' now won't happen. Plus its just immigration from the EU, the rest of the world will keep coming. Far from reducing immigration Brexit might greatly increase it. The only thing that might deter people is the predicted recession coming our way. So far project fear is turning out to be project truth.

Boris seems befuddled and quiet, really don't think he expected to 'win' and have to deal with the consequences: winning wasn't part of his leadership plan.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by RBMark

Yep, they are going to get a control on immigration then if needed start reducing it. Exactly what I thought I was voting for. Leaving people living on the streets of London/Manchester/Birmingham etc with little chance of a safe home or decent job is irresponsible of this government.

Hopefully we can now control immigration, catch up with it, house the current homeless, get them into work. Then get ahead so we have he homes, jobs, school places, hospitals to cope. Seems like a very intelligent way of doing things.

When can we start reducing it? As it stands, nothing has changed. We still have to accept freedom of movement and migrants from the EU. Does it start when A 50 is invoked or after the 2 years is up? IDS did say this morning by the end of the Parliament, however that may be sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Its not all as simple as that. There aren't enough homes being built and that is nothing to do with the EU.

Well it kind of is. It's their people coming here so it has to do with them in a small way.

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Originally Posted by Taf

Everyone?

Depends who's doing the polling. If they phone you then yes as they have a script so everyone gets asked the same questions. Think I've only been polled once in m life.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

So given there's going to be at least 2 year gap ( probably a lot more before we exit), if I was considering coming to the UK I'd rush to do it now. The French will not have the Calais camp, we'll have to deal with at Dover and the negotiated 'emergency brake' now won't happen. Plus its just immigration from the EU, the rest of the world will keep coming. Far from reducing immigration Brexit might greatly increase it. The only thing that might deter people is the predicted recession coming our way. So far project fear is turning out to be project truth.

Boris seems befuddled and quiet, really don't think he expected to 'win' and have to deal with the consequences: winning wasn't part of his leadership plan.

The French Government has said the agreement still stands. It's the politicians calling for it to be scrapped.

A lot of questions will remain to be answered. No one really knows what happens know and it's clear the Leave campaign hasn't got a plan yet, Boris and Gove are in hidding and the stage is being taken by leavers with different political outlooks contradiction each other.

Originally Posted by Taf

Everyone?

Well, when I first joined YouGov, I was asked them, and then they re-check them every couple of months.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

The French Government has said the agreement still stands. It's the politicians calling for it to be scrapped.

Its only staying ATM because we're still in the EU. Once we're gone and there's a different French govt. they' ll actively encourage migrants on to us, probably pay for their ferry tickets.

I think a lot of industry will push for EEA by the way. Leave supporters should be less concerned about stupid petitions and more concerned about the dynamics of article 50 and the fact the politicians only have a mandate to leave the EU but no obligation as to what that involves.

[Taf]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the EU had "no need to be particularly nasty in any way" in the negotiations with Britain.

Not "particularly nasty" then, just "nasty" ?

Over 39000 people from Vatican City sign petition for 2nd Brexit referendum.








Oh yeah, it only has a population of 800 so not only do Remainers not respect democracy, they are prepared fiddle the petition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-more-than-39/

[ntluser]

People voted to leave this version of the EU.

David Cameron based in London was completely out of touch with people living outside London and he was only a few hundred miles away. He conveyed his view to the other EU leaders, who because they were even further away, relied on his information and were, like him, completely shocked by the outcome.

The desire to punish the UK is caused by the EU leaders' fear that similar referenda and similar outcomes may occur in other EU countries, something they wish to deter.

Europe is a bubbling cauldron and if EU leaders try to put a lid on opposition expressed by voters and continue to apply the heat by ignoring their views there will be a devastating social explosion across the EU.

If the EU leaders think they have got it right, they should be brave enough to call referenda in their own countries and see what their people's true feelings are. I suspect there will be similar differences throughout the EU.

The EU leaders ignored the success of anti-EU parties in the Euro elections. That was the first warning. The outcome of the UK EU referendum is the second warning. David Cameron called for reform but was ignored and the deal offered by the EU was derisory as it totally ignored voters' wishes.

Many Leave voters do not really wish to leave the EU but the current arrangements give them no choice. If the EU had been more flexible and had taken a step back from their present course I believe the outcome of the vote could have been very different.

The EU press for freedom of movement but that is a myth. All countries have laws barring even their own citizens never mind foreign nationals from certain areas of their country. The poor and the young cannot buy houses in nice areas. Many of the developments approved by the rich have a greater adverse effects on the poor. As the EU piles on more and more misery is it any wonder that those affected feel neglected and resentful?

No country has the resources to cope with a massive influx of foreign nationals and I am sure that Leave voters would accept greater freedom of movement within limits set by their national governments because they know better what the problems are and what resources are available to solve them. Bear in mind that many voters voted to leave because of the UK's failure to solve massive problems in housing, health, employment, education etc. and EU rules were making the situation worse.

I think David Cameron should be recalled as PM as I feel that he and Lord Hill have a lot to offer and are in a much stronger position than they were before. I also think that David Cameron and Boris Johnson should be reconciled as friends working together for a better UK and a better EU.

If the EU is brave enough to carry out the reforms it knows it must make I am sure that we could come up with a solution that 100% of UK voters would support by living inside a revised version of the EU which benefits all EU countries not just the UK. Crucially it would be listening and paying regard to the views of ALL EU citizens.

Such a solution is a win-win situation for everyone and is a process of healing overcoming differences proving that we really are in this together.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I think David Cameron should be recalled as PM as I feel that he and Lord Hill have a lot to offer and are in a much stronger position than they were before. I also think that David Cameron and Boris Johnson should be reconciled as friends working together for a better UK and a better EU.

If the EU is brave enough to carry out the reforms it knows it must make I am sure that we could come up with a solution that 100% of UK voters would support by living inside a revised version of the EU which benefits all EU countries not just the UK. Crucially it would be listening and paying regard to the views of ALL EU citizens.

Such a solution is a win-win situation for everyone and is a process of healing overcoming differences proving that we really are in this together.

No, No and No.

We will manage. just leave and get on with it.

EU Leaders want Brexit to begin on Tuesday, I hope so...but unfortunately it seems a lot of British think they can dictate to everyone else how things should be completely ignoring democracy. So no doubt they will think they can make every other EU country wait!

http://news.sky.com/story/1717820/uk...esday-eu-chief

[Mr K]

There'll be delay after delay after delay. Until in a few years time the situation 'wiil have changed' requiring another referendum. No one will admit that now though.