Saddam Hussein Executed - Page 18

TheDaddy · 30-12-2006, 13:04

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Originally Posted by kronas

what would that achieve,

Dont know much about personality cults then? Sadam already had a pretty strong one, his manner of death will only strengthen it further.

As for the rest of that drivel about me 'liking to see people suffer' I'll just just refer you to my previous posts on this subject and the death penalty in general and wonder what you hope to achieve by insulting others

kronas · 30-12-2006, 13:11

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Dont know much about personality cults then? Sadam already had a pretty strong one, his manner of death will only strengthen it further.

personality cults ? not quite what i made reference to but having said previously 'what will it achieve' no answer....

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

As for the rest of that drivel about me 'liking to see people suffer' I'll just just refer you to my previous posts on this subject and the death penalty in general and wonder what you hope to achieve by insulting others

i never insulted anyone read my post again, some comments are percieved as seeing the pleasure of a man go down being hanged.

TheDaddy · 30-12-2006, 13:17

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Originally Posted by kronas

personality cults ? not quite what i made reference to but having said previously 'what will it achieve' no answer....

i never insulted anyone read my post again, some comments are percieved as seeing the pleasure of a man go down being hanged.

I was referring to the manner of his death, if they had to hang him at all better he went screaming and crying than with dignity as it will strengthen his personality cult

And you did insult me when you said this, you like to see humans suffer

Mike · 30-12-2006, 13:17

He looked totally broken and confused going to the gallows........seemed to be playing close attention to the executor

Tables totally reversed !!!!

30-12-2006, 13:20

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Originally Posted by kronas

supposedly killed

Are you saying that he has not done any of the things that he was found guilty of doing ?

punky · 30-12-2006, 13:46

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes, I don't see how the state killing someone for their crimes is much different to killing someone for murder,

But that's like saying you can't arrest and jail someone for kidnapping because that will also be hypocritical.

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I see the muppet Bush saying it was a great day for justice and exiled Iraqi calling for us all to celebrate, well tbh I don't find much joy in someone's death even if they are a monster and I certainly don't think it very appropriate for someone who calls themselves a Christian to say its a great day, mind you this is the bloke who 'doesn't regret a single death sentence I (Bush) signed'

Its not a great day because of the execution, its a great day because Iraqis have dealth with it themselves. They wanted hanging, and that's what they got. If Saddam was tried at the ICC and given a life sentence, particuarlly at the behest of any coalition country, it will mean lefties would claim its another example of hegemony. That's the good thing about being on the left, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

You also say you aren't happy, however, there are plenty of Iraqis, who both escaped or survived Saddam who say they are very happy, I don't think I behgrudge them that.

Also, Saddam has no followers. Saddam oppressed the Sunnis like he opressed everyone else. They are just bloodthirsty sickos who are using Saddam as an excuse.

Pia · 30-12-2006, 14:00

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,240117,00.html

A vid on here of his body apparently

Mr Angry · 30-12-2006, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Gavin

But that's like saying you can't arrest someone for kidnapping because that will also be hypocritical.

Its not a great day because of the execution, its a great day because Iraqis have dealth with it themselves. They wanted hanging, and that's what they got. If Saddam was tried at the ICC and given a life sentence, particuarlly at the behest of any coalition country, it will mean lefties would claim its another example of hegemony. That's the good thing about being on the left, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

You also say you aren't happy, however, there are plenty of Iraqis, who both escaped or survived Saddam who say they are very happy, I don't think I behgrudge them that.

Also, Saddam has no followers. Saddam oppressed the Sunnis like he opressed everyone else. They are just bloodthirsty sickos who are using Saddam as an excuse.

That's the good thing about being in denial, you can define an individual as a threat to the West and then once he's been hung state he has no followers, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

Either way it's all fine and dandy now, Iraqis are dancing in the streets exchanging flowers and kisses and the coalition forces will be home on Wednesday.

Oh, wait...

Russ · 30-12-2006, 14:10

Just a word to the wise, should the footage of him being hanged make it online, any links to it posted here will NOT be permitted.

TheDaddy · 30-12-2006, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Gavin

But that's like saying you can't arrest and jail someone for kidnapping because that will also be hypocritical.

Its not a great day because of the execution, its a great day because Iraqis have dealth with it themselves. They wanted hanging, and that's what they got. If Saddam was tried at the ICC and given a life sentence, particuarlly at the behest of any coalition country, it will mean lefties would claim its another example of hegemony. That's the good thing about being on the left, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

You also say you aren't happy, however, there are plenty of Iraqis, who both escaped or survived Saddam who say they are very happy, I don't think I behgrudge them that.

Also, Saddam has no followers. Saddam oppressed the Sunnis like he opressed everyone else. They are just bloodthirsty sickos who are using Saddam as an excuse.

Surely the death penalty has no place in civilised society, to execute people for their crimes makes the state no better than than the killer they are prosecuting imo, why run the risk of turning him into a martyr, not that I think he will, however he would have been guaranteed not to be if he had been locked away for the rest of his days

Of course there are already some that are saying the Iraqi's didn't deal with it them themselves and that they got their hanging through forgoing due process

Saddam had no followers, I beg to differ there a lot of people did very well out of his rule and the Americans have already said they expect an increase in violence because of this, so yet more innocent people are going to die because of him

30-12-2006, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Just a word to the wise, should the footage of him being hanged make it online, any links to it posted here will NOT be permitted.

Will have to find some other video to leak then

Ramrod · 30-12-2006, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Gavin

But that's like saying you can't arrest and jail someone for kidnapping because that will also be hypocritical.

Exactly! Top post!

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Surely the death penalty has no place in civilised society, to execute people for their crimes makes the state no better than than the killer they are prosecuting imo

Not sure about that, there will always be people who need to be executed. We are happy enough to put down rabid dogs

punky · 30-12-2006, 15:05

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Surely the death penalty has no place in civilised society, to execute people for their crimes makes the state no better than than the killer they are prosecuting imo, why run the risk of turning him into a martyr, not that I think he will, however he would have been guaranteed not to be if he had been locked away for the rest of his days

Both true, but they are separate issues. The point I address specifically is that the logic hypocrisy of capital punishment follows to hypocrisy in all justice.

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Of course there are already some that are saying the Iraqi's didn't deal with it them themselves and that they got their hanging through forgoing due process

I beg to differ mate. The court was Iraqi, the judge was Iraqi, the person who signed his death warrant was Iraqi, the witnesses were Iraqi, and it was held outside the green zone, in a (presumably) Iraqi-controlled area.

TheDaddy · 30-12-2006, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Gavin

I beg to differ mate. The court was Iraqi, the judge was Iraqi, the person who signed his death warrant was Iraqi, the witnesses were Iraqi, and it was held outside the green zone, in a (presumably) Iraqi-controlled area.

Wasn't he held and executed in the very Iraqi sounding Camp Justice

Interestingly enough though I have just seen a BBC report that states no foreigners were present at the execution, that isn't what was said on U.S. tv last night, so who knows, I hope you are right although weren't there several flaws with the trial about the presumption of guilt and allowing the defence council to cross examine?

**Maggy** · 30-12-2006, 15:22

Dead or alive he is still always going to be a martyr to some.

Whatever had been decided in the way of sentencing would have upset and annoyed some.

He would always be a focus for the malcontents if he was still alive just as he will be now he is dead.

The only thing that has been gained is that the Iraqi nation will see that they can make and decide what the laws will be in their own country and that they can take command of where they will now go as a nation.This will hopefully give them the confidence that they can make it as a unified country provided they can learn to stand up to those of Saddam's ilk who are at present trying to undermine the country's and people's confidence in themselves.