[merged] Price increase

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by 1701-e

NTL will have a vastly superior all round product whereas Freeview is practically at full capacity ( eg only 2 multi-screens on News24 interactive).

Hmm there are still free slots on the FREEview platform and more channels due like Disneys Daytime. Also I heard some of those shopping channels are just placeholders. If true when the government start dropping off the analogue signal its not going to be all at once. So you'll see channels like BBC2,CH4 & Ch5 gone first. This will freeup allot of space for the FREEview platform again. Now don't forget there still talking about this starting from 2006

[ntl customer]

Hmm there are still free slots on the FREEview platform and more channels due like Disneys Daytime.

Disney's Daytime was supposed to have launched ages ago on Freeview, but it hasn't yet. And I very much doubt that it will given the previous promised additions to Freeview which have failed to materialise

a) CBM - there was a slot allocated for it on the EPG and a static caption was broadcast for some time with the infamous ntl phrase "coming soon". However it was eventually pulled because IIRC the people behind it could their arse in gear and sort out what the channel was meant to broadcast.

b) Turner Classic Movies (TCM) and Boomerang timeshare - this was rumoured for a long time and the deal eventually fell through because IIRC the boss of AOL TW didn't want their 'premium' channels being put onto a free platform. Also it could be because disagreements about the carriage cost on the platform.

c) Sentana Sports - this was also rumoured as well, but unsurprisingly has failed to materialised. Whether it was ever going to be on the platform in the first place is another question.

Also I heard some of those shopping channels are just placeholders.

I think so. IIRC Bidup or Price Drop are placeholders for a channel owned by Channel 4, dubbed "G2" because it is going to show documentaries. There is an article on Media Guardian about it, but I don't think it will be launching for sometime yet.

[Neil]

Ok,

Here is what a one off payment of £50.00 (approx) will get you from Freeview....

Entertainment Channels

BBC1
BBC2
BBC3
BBC4
ITV1
ITV2
FTN
Channel 4
Sky Travel
UKTV Bright Ideas
UKTV History

Childrenââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s Channels

CBeebies
CBBC

Music

The Hits
TMF

News/Views Channels

BBC Parliament
BBC News 24
Sky News
Sky Sports News
ITV News
Community Channel

Shopping Channels

QVC
Bid-Up.tv
Price-drop.tv

And here is what you get after paying £238.00 per year to ntl.....

BBC ONE
Channel 4
ITV1
BBC TWO
FIVE
ITV2
BBC THREE
Channel ntl
Sky One
BBC FOUR
The Hits
TMF
UKTV Bright Ideas
Ftn
Sky One Mix
E4
CBBC
CBeebies
BBC News 24
CNBC
Sky News
BBC Parliament
ITV News
UKTV History
British Eurosport
attheraces (Isn't this closing soon anyway)

So-approx 10 more channels with ntl, & obviously your phone line too.
If you take away the phone line (12 x £9.50=à ƒÆ’ƒâ€šÃ‚£114.00) from the yearly charge of £238.00 , you are left paying £124.00 per year for approx 10 more channels.

That is approx £74.00 more in the first year alone!

Over 2 years, you would have spent £50.00 on Freeview, & £248.00 with ntl's Base Pack.

So, please tell me-where is the value for money again??

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Neil

So they bloody well should for the money they are charging!

We are talking about Freeview at £50.00 for the first year, & nothing after that, compared to ntl's base pack @ 12 x £19.00 per year=£2 28.00 for the 1st year, & every year after that.

So....£ 228.00 per year for ntl's second rate (supposedly) interactive service that has been 'coming soon' for how long??) against a one off payment of £50.00 for slightly less channles on Freeview.

Value for money? I don't think so somehow.

Hold on- it's £19 pm for TV and phone. So thats £114 pa for NTL. I agree about the current system but from what I've seen the coming soon fiasco is near at a n end. I'm not happy about the price increase but each person has thier own needs/demands on DTV and I'll see out the next couple of weeks as the service goes up a notch.

My cable picture is superior to DTT as well- I have both systems.



$KY ONE and B/Eurosport are probably worth the extra in many peoples eyes---look at the DTT forums in DS in TUTV discussions- there are many!

Originally Posted by orangebird

...I'd have to upgrade my ariel to receive freeview...

Changing your washing machine powder will not allow you to receive freeview any clearer I'm afraid.


The spikey thing on the end of your co-ax lead is called an aerial.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by 1701-e

Hold on- it's £19 pm for TV and phone. So thats £114 pa for NTL. I agree about the current system but from what I've seen the coming soon fiasco is near at a n end. I'm not happy about the price increase but each person has thier own needs/demands on DTV and I'll see out the next couple of weeks as the service goes up a notch.

My cable picture is superior to DTT as well- I have both systems.



$KY ONE and B/Eurosport are probably worth the extra in many peoples eyes---look at the DTT forums in DS in TUTV discussions- there are many!

Have you read my post above re the breakdown of prices?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by XFS03

Changing your washing machine powder will not allow you to receive freeview any clearer I'm afraid.


The spikey thing on the end of your co-ax lead is called an aerial.

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by ntl customer

Disney's Daytime was supposed to have launched ages ago on Freeview, but it hasn't yet. And I very much doubt that it will

Again I may be wrong but I'm sure someone on Digitalspy had a screenshot of it testing on one of the channels the otherweek

Also ITV3 is rumoured to be coming at the end of the year

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Neil

Have you read my post above re the breakdown of prices?

Yes- thats why i did the edit and added the info on $ky 1 /Eurosport.
You left out the 3 other channels that vary each month - the guest channels.

If you think its important to include Freeviews shopping channels then you might as well count NTLs - though you might need a calculator!

And Front Row/PPV events access .....

Oh yes Prem+.... probably the joker in the pack!

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Again I may be wrong but I'm sure someone on Digitalspy had a screenshot of it testing on one of the channels the otherweek

Also ITV3 is rumoured to be coming at the end of the year

The Disney owned channel will be on all platforms. ITV3 may be pay-tv.

[orangebird]

Base Pack Channels in full - not including 30 odd radio stations...

attheraces
Ideal World
BBC One
ITV News
Auction World ITV1
BBC Two
ITV2
BBC Three
QVC
BBC Four
Screenshop & Price-drop.tv

BBC News 24
Sky News

BBC Parliament
Sky One

Bid-Up TV
Sky One Mix
British Eurosport
Sky Sports News
Buy:ntl Sky Travel
CBBC
Sky Travel Extra
CBeebies
Stop & Shop
Channel 4
Thane Direct
Channel ntl
The Hits
CNBC
TMF

E4 Thomas Cook TV

E4+1 TV Travel Shop

five
TV Travel Shop 2

Front Row (50 Channels)
UKTV Bright Ideas
Front Row Preview Channel
UKTV History
F tn Yes 661
Guest Channel x 3

[Neil]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Base Pack Channels in full - not including 30 odd radio stations...<snip>

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=243

[Defiant]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Base Pack Channels in full - not including 30 odd radio stations...

No thats it. Thats sold Digital too me now. I'm getting it so I can watch the radio on my tv lol

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Defiant

No thats it. Thats sold Digital too me now. I'm getting it so I can watch the radio on my tv lol

A selling point of Freeview as well !!

BBC Radio 7 / Five Live Extra are big hits on DTT...

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Neil

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=243

The list you posted for ntl was incomplete, that's why I posted the list.