Muslims to march in London - Page 17

herbert clinker · 19-02-2006, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

It gets worse...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4728616.stm

When will these bloody lunatics let it go?

haven't you figured it out yet,blaming it on the cartoons is just a good excuse to have a good riot.
i bet most of these rioters couldn't even tell you what the cartoons were.

driver_problems · 19-02-2006, 12:07

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Originally Posted by herbert clinker

haven't you figured it out yet,blaming it on the cartoons is just a good excuse to have a good riot.
i bet most of these rioters couldn't even tell you what the cartoons were.

reminds me (don't know why) of the line in ID last night when they turn up for some aggro at a football match. The undercover copper says, after the riot police turn up and stop it all kicking off "Shame that. I was looking forward to a good ruck"

**Maggy** · 19-02-2006, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

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Originally Posted by punky

Oh dear.

It gets worse...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4728616.stm

When will these bloody lunatics let it go?

Doesn't take long for factions to start killing each other in Nigeria.It's just that the world's media can connect it this time to world events.There have been lots of tribal and religious killings in recent years in Nigeria,but as they aren't reallly interesting or anything to do with world events(well in the eyes of the world's media) they have not been widely reported in developed countries.

punky · 19-02-2006, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Doesn't take long for factions to start killing each other in Nigeria.It's just that the world's media can connect it this time to world events.There have been lots of tribal and religious killings in recent years in Nigeria,but as they aren't reallly interesting or anything to do with world events(well in the eyes of the world's media) they have not been widely reported in developed countries.

True, however...

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The city's residents described demonstrators running wild after police tried to disperse the protest with teargas.

Also, looks like Herbert Clinker is right, unfortunately...

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Crowds of protesters carried machetes, sticks and iron rods through the city centre, the Associated Press news agency reported.

One group threw a tyre around one man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze, it said.

How many people take machetes, iron rods & petrol to a peaceful protest? Also, the tyre/petrol weapon sticks in my mind as a cold blooded intent to kill regardless of the action at the protest, rather than a self-defence motive or frenzied, heat-of-the-moment attack.

Unfortunately it doesn't estimate what percentage of people carried weapons to the protest.

Ramrod · 19-02-2006, 14:08

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK

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The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state

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Islamic clerics do not believe in a society in which Islam is one religion among others in a society ruled by basically non-religious laws. They believe it must be the dominant religion - and it is their aim to achieve this.

"That is why they do not believe in integration. In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future - and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.

"Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on."

That plan, says Dr Sookhdeo, is being followed in Britain. "That is why you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim communities - which will be backed up by the claim that it is "racist" or "Islamophobic" or "violating the rights of Muslims" to deny them sharia law.

"There's already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. The Government has already started making concessions: it has changed the law so that there are sharia-compliant mortgages and sharia pensions.

"Some Muslims are now pressing to be allowed four wives: they say it is part of their religion. They claim that not being allowed four wives is a denial of their religious liberty. There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time - and stay married, in sharia law, to all four.

imo, the UK is sleepwalking into disaster....

Mr Angry · 19-02-2006, 14:19

Meanwhile, with the benefit of hindsight, http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060219/...ons_apology_dc

Ramrod · 19-02-2006, 14:28

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Meanwhile, with the benefit of hindsight,

I wonder what else hindsight will reveal in the next few decades

punky · 19-02-2006, 14:42

At least Saudi are trying to qwell the row... I don't think Arab/Muslim countries are doing enough to show that the paper has apologised,

Paul K · 19-02-2006, 17:28

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

Ramrod · 19-02-2006, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Paul

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

Well put.
The reason that I'm upset by this all is that my country has been taken over first by force and then by stealth, by people who will use all means at their disposal to force the indigenous population to bow to their will. I wouldn't want to see anything like that happen here.....

Escapee · 19-02-2006, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Paul

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

I agree with everything you say there, unfortunately a common sense attitude like that gets the do-gooder brigade calling you and me a racist for those views.

19-02-2006, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Paul

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

Well Said.

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I agree with everything you say there, unfortunately a common sense attitude like that gets the do-gooder brigade calling you and me a racist for those views.

Unfortunately true.

Stuart · 19-02-2006, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Escapee

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Originally Posted by Paul

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

I agree with everything you say there, unfortunately a common sense attitude like that gets the do-gooder brigade calling you and me a racist for those views.

I personally don't consider those views racist. I agree. The only time I disgree with not adapting the public's views is when those views include actual racist views (such as "send 'em all back").

Wakar · 19-02-2006, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Paul

If I'm truly honest I'm saddened as to the demands made of this country by people immigrating here and by people who don't live here but believe they should have a say in how this country is run. I strongly believe that if you choose (for whatever reason) to leave your own country to live in another then it is up to YOU to accept, live by and respect the laws, opinions and customs of the country you are moving to.
Yes we should all be tolerant of each others views but if I were to move to a muslim country I would expect to have to change how I lived and I would expect to have to abide by the rules of that country. If I couldn't live by those rules/customs I would move back home or I would look to live elsewhere, I wouldn't demand that everyone else change to suit me

I agree with you there Paul. Its about time the muslim leaders around the world start taking action to stop all these killing etc and start promoting calm and peace. I have read the article about the Danish newspaper editor apologizing about the cartoons, and its time this all stopped. Maybe its time for a protest to demand world leaders around the world start promoting peace and calm, especially around the muslim nations.

That from a British Muslim and proud of it too

Chrysalis · 19-02-2006, 23:27

"send em all back" I would agree with someone if they said send all the protesters back, if you read the protesters billboards they were not simply saying ban the cartoons they were promoting murders terrorism and putting down our way of life. So I say if they dont like it they free to go back to the middle east.