Brexit

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

If we do leave without a deal, there will be a lot of pain. Then the recriminations will start, Brexiters had better start of thinking about someone else to blame, as those that supported them will want answers. The tragedy is that the main protagonists Farrage, Bozza, JRM et al will be some of the few to be ok/benefit, quelle surprise ! The masses however will come after them with burning torches - they'll probably emigrate to France like that other keen Brexiter Nigel Lawson....

They'll blame remainers, if only people had believed more they'll whine, conveniently ignoring all the stuff that's been pointed out to them for years by experts whose opinion they dismissed out of hand

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As the Irish have been mentioned, on this morning's R4 Farming programme, an Irish farmer said that 52% of their beef exports go to the UK and that the Brexit turmoil was causing havoc to their industry.


May's weakness has allowed the tail to wag the dog instead of waving two fingers at the EU and its Backstop nonsense.

Originally Posted by Mr K

The backstop was our idea. And why are your posts in a silly colour.?

Why are your posts in a silly colour

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

To regain our sovereignty.

Debatable we ever lost it, but sovereignty is a bit over rated, if it means we end up economically poor

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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Debatable we ever lost it, but sovereignty is a bit over rated, if it means we end up economically poor

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Why should we be economically poor? We're not Ireland, not Greece etc and nothing like them.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We've got a funny way of showing it ! The EU are our largest trading partner and we're divorcing them.

We are divorcing the political union, they can and hopefully will still be our largest trading partner. Why do we have to be in a political union with them to still trade with them?

[Mr K]

Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again.....

How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have? If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again..... [SEPH]: Sadly, we know that's what you sometimes think and it lets you down.

How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have? If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps. [SEPH]: A much better point to make.

[papa smurf]

If we win the song contest i'll change my mind and fight to remain

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again.....

Well you’d be wrong then wouldn’t you.

How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have?

As you well know, we can't sign any deals until we leave. As to how many we have “ lined up” i don’t know, perhaps we’d be a bit more successful if the countries we hoped to do deals with actually thought that we were leaving. Why would you do a deal with us now? Why would you waste time and money trying to do a deal with a country whose Parliament wanted to remain in the EU??

If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps.

It’s a trade deal, not a hostage negotiation.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We are divorcing the political union, they can and hopefully will still be our largest trading partner. Why do we have to be in a political union with them to still trade with them?

They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Angua

They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.

Easy ride over what exactly. What power?

we don’t need to be in a political union with them to trade with them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.

Well, of course. That's what May did wrong. She started out wanting a close and special relationship with the EU. They spotted her weakness and boom - they set the rules which she stupidly accepted. It would have been very different had we been preparing for No Deal right from the start and taking that position as one for the EU to solve if they didn't want tariffs on their goods.

Whilst on the subject of Ireland, which country immediately lent them 7 billion to tide them over at the financial crash? Yep - the UK and that's hoe that perfidious Varadkar thanks us. A reason on its own to leave with no deal.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

To regain our sovereignty.

"sovereignty" won’t butter no muffins...

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Much better to stay in a failing relationship and make every one miserable Eh.

Only if you believe it was a failing relationship - better for the kids (the U.K. population) if the parents tried to resolve any issues, rather than divorcing and making everyone worse off just because one of the partners had their head turned by a smooth talking Lothario* who schmoozed them by promising them the earth, but had no means, or intention, of trying to deliver it...

*our Nige

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Easy ride over what exactly. What power?

we don’t need to be in a political union with them to trade with them.

No, but we have to negotiate with a bloc of 400 million people and a GDP six times the size of the U.K., which gives them the upper hand in negotiating.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No, but we have to negotiate with a bloc of 400 million people and a GDP six times the size of the U.K., which gives them the upper hand in negotiating.

And what outrageous demands are you expecting from them as seen as we are absolutely aligned in regards to standards and regulations?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"sovereignty" won’t butter no muffins...

<SNIP>

Sovereignty allows us to make our own way, our own muffins, without their domination, without their corrupt CAP, without their corrupt Fishing Rules, without things being skewed for France and Germany.

That's got to be worth something.

[denphone]

More pain for Labour and the Conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ch-to-lib-dems

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...abandon-labour