2015 UK General Election Thread - Page 15

**Damien** · 24-03-2015, 07:46

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Something like that. However in that same plan you can see the evidence that Salmond is becoming slightly unhinged. He believes too much of his own legend ... the canny operator, the high-stakes gambler ... he's so enamoured of his own perceived reputation that he seems to have forgotten that he lost the referendum, or else he seems to have convinced himself that the decisive "no" was actually some sort of deferred "yes".

The polls that are giving the SNP a big lead over Labour look fantastic until you view them in the context of the referendum. Last September the SNP successfully crystallised the issue of independence as an actual, concrete thing that could happen, rather than an abstract concept. They also firmly welded themselves to it. We are only just six months on from the referendum and naturally, those who voted Yes are now vowing to transfer their parliamentary vote to the party that stands for Yes.

My fear is that we now seem to be heading towards independence and none of the mainstream parties seem to know how to stop it. In fact they seem not to care at all. If we let the SNP dominate Scottish Politics then I can't see Westminster being able to hold off on another referendum if the SNP win majorities at Holyrood and become the third largest party in Westminster.

I have no idea why people aren't taking this more seriously. It's the same complacency that helped Yes gain so much ground in the referendum and cause this division in the first place.

The best strategy I can think of is to step up regional devolution. Spilt up the UK into regional departments with more devolved powers and, crucially, do so in Scotland as well. This would bypass the Scottish Parliament to a degree, help address some of the concerns of moderate Scottish voters and place the SNP in a difficult position of Independence being seen as a move to centralise powers in Edinburgh. The SNP haven't been fans giving power to regions (outside of devolution to Scotland as a whole obviously) precisely because they're worried it would undermine Independence.

denphone · 24-03-2015, 07:47

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Pink link

Cameron a gay pinup boy?

Not with my brother he ain't.

heero_yuy · 24-03-2015, 08:01

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Originally Posted by denphone

Not with my brother he ain't.

Not with us either.

But I'd trust him to run the country rather than ruin it. If the economy gets screwed you can kiss goodby to benefits and the NHS.

MalteseFalcon · 28-03-2015, 10:24

Latest forecast from www.may2015.com:

Conservatives: 273
Labour: 271
Liberals: 24
UKIP: 4
SNP: 55
Greens: 0
Others: 22

www.ukelect.co.uk forecast, before debate:

Labour: 279
Conservatives: 271
SNP: 44
Liberals: 33
UKIP: 0
Others: 22
Greens: 1

Still think this could be 1992 all over again for Labour though, massive lead in the run up to election day but on the day the voters went for Tories.

denphone · 28-03-2015, 10:28

My money is on a hung parliament Mark as nearly every poll l see has them neck and neck..

Dave42 · 28-03-2015, 10:44

god help us if the nasty party win

**Hugh** · 28-03-2015, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Dave42

god help us if the nasty party win

Labour aren't nasty, they are just a bit misguided.....

Jimmy-J · 28-03-2015, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Dave42

god help us if the nasty party win

The cons will win and god won't help.

Sirius · 28-03-2015, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Labour aren't nasty, they are just a bit misguided.....

Beat me to it

denphone · 28-03-2015, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Labour aren't nasty, they are just a bit misguided.....

l think you will find that also applies also to the Conservatives as well.

This made me laugh as it gives us the top ten loved and most unloved brands.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10049886.html

**Damien** · 28-03-2015, 21:40

Looks like Ed Miliband's performance in the not-a-debate on Thursday has worked for Labour. Tomorrow they've moved ahead in a YouGov to outside the margin of error for the first time in a while. Close to majority territory even with the SNP causing them problems:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...ead-be-afraid/

The other thing is that even with the SNP doing so well they will side with Labour and before this poll a Tory/LibDem coalition doesn't have the numbers to form a majority Government.

At this rate it's looking likely it will either be a small Labour majority or Labour propped up by the SNP on a vote by vote basis.

Sirius · 29-03-2015, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like Ed Miliband's performance in the not-a-debate on Thursday has worked for Labour. Tomorrow they've moved ahead in a YouGov to outside the margin of error for the first time in a while. Close to majority territory even with the SNP causing them problems:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...ead-be-afraid/

The other thing is that even with the SNP doing so well they will side with Labour and before this poll a Tory/LibDem coalition doesn't have the numbers to form a majority Government.

At this rate it's looking likely it will either be a small Labour majority or Labour propped up by the SNP on a vote by vote basis.

And then the Conservatives back in 5 years later to fix the mess Labour will have made.

**Chris** · 29-03-2015, 07:43

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like Ed Miliband's performance in the not-a-debate on Thursday has worked for Labour. Tomorrow they've moved ahead in a YouGov to outside the margin of error for the first time in a while. Close to majority territory even with the SNP causing them problems:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...ead-be-afraid/

The other thing is that even with the SNP doing so well they will side with Labour and before this poll a Tory/LibDem coalition doesn't have the numbers to form a majority Government.

At this rate it's looking likely it will either be a small Labour majority or Labour propped up by the SNP on a vote by vote basis.

If Labour get within a dozen seats of outright victory, the Lib Dems will prop them up.

Sirius · 29-03-2015, 07:47

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Originally Posted by Chris

If Labour get within a dozen seats of outright victory, the Lib Dems will prop them up.

My feelings about the Lib Dems and there lack of morals are unfortunately not allowed to be posted on a family forum such as this

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What i can post is that giving the Lib Dems any form of power is like handing over the keys of our nuclear arsenal to the Taliban

**Damien** · 29-03-2015, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Chris

If Labour get within a dozen seats of outright victory, the Lib Dems will prop them up.

Which is a far better outcome than a minority Labour Government propped up by a rebellious SNP. The thought of that outcome is the most terrifying to me.

I would rather continue what we have now. A Tory/LibDem coalition. However I am not hugely bothered as long as we have a stable Government at this point.