BNP loses seats

[aliferste]

Eh???

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search

nothing there !!!!

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by scastle

They all are round here. One of the pubs I drink in has a sign proudly proclaiming it to have opened in 1645. Maybe it's a Salford/Manchester thing, we just don't seem to get them around London.

Does it have a "vault" ???

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Then their must not be any old style pubs were you live

We have a pub called the Vaults in town, but not every pub has them, not even in my mums village where the pubs are 300+ years old

Originally Posted by dellwear

We have a pub called the Vaults in town, but not every pub has them, not even in my mums village where the pubs are 300+ years old

I've never heard of 'vaults' in connection with pubs.

I've certainly never heard of them in connection with the BNP ... this is that off topic thing again isn't it? Can I talk about roses again?

The vaults tend to be the rooms were the pool table and darts are

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

He was just speaking as he saw it, and yes, I have known him for a few years.
I don't understand why It's allright to say something like 'white males seem to make up the largest section of paedophiles' But it's not all right to make a comment (based on experience) about Nigerians and fraud!
....and it's all right for you to say that Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth (even if it is just the 'middle class Pakistanis')
....and it's all right for you to tar allpolicemen with the same brush.
It seems as if it's one rule for you and another one for me!

Firstly, its not alright to say something like white blah blah and not about Nigerians blah blah. If you bother to read my posts, you'd realise i've been refuting both and never said it was even wrong to say either in the first place.
And when i asked the question about paedophiles, this was the exact response i expected - finally, you've delivered. That response being an attitude of victimisation and unfairness. Even though i'm not making any double standards at all, you've finally decided to take the "its not fair" and "why are you attacking me?" attitude when comments, which can be taken as offensive, are directly related to YOU.
If the first thing anybody said was "whites are likely to be paedophiles", you and many others, would have made the exact same "its so unfair,i shouldnt be victim to this" speech. THAT is why you're complaining about invisible double standards, in order to try and enhance your feelings of victimisation.

Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth, and theres facts to prove it. Find me facts to prove Nigerians are more likely to commit fraud and white males are more likely to be paedophiles.

Where have i tared policeman with the same brush? I havent. But if you're referring to alis, then in that case you're tarring him and me with the same brush! The very same hypocrisy you're complaining about!

No, you imagine its one rule for me and one rule for you - even when its clearly not, because it propogates your own agenda. Its the exact same tactic the BNP use.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by aliferste

Ramrod.....do YOU know what Defiant is going on about with these "vaults"
Now hes talking about going on holiday abroad......usually i find in spain and places like that the pubs are kinda similar......stools and stuff.....sometimes you get karaoke rooms ~shudder~ but no "Vaults"

I need this cleared up about these "vaults" in intriged.......I go down to Birmingham a lot and go to pubs there and have never seen this "vault" phenomenon!!

A quick search on google found

http://images.google.com/images?q=va...=Google+Search

Which pretty much summed up what i thought......although i thought they should be abit more gritty!!!

I have no idea what he's on about. Sorry.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

Firstly, its not alright to say something like white blah blah and not about Nigerians blah blah. If you bother to read my posts, you'd realise i've been refuting both and never said it was even wrong to say either in the first place.

So if you have never said that it's wrong to say so, why are we arguing?

And when i asked the question about paedophiles, this was the exact response i expected - finally, you've delivered. That response being an attitude of victimisation and unfairness.

My response (about white males being bore likely to be paedophiles)was not made with an attitude of victimization! It's a statement of fact. The fact that I also happen to be a white male is neither here nor there. I don't feel put upon because white males may be seen as the main perpetrators of paedophilia. Why should I?

Even though i'm not making any double standards at all, you've finally decided to take the "its not fair" and "why are you attacking me?" attitude when comments, which can be taken as offensive, are directly related to YOU.

I am feeling put upon because you seem to be taking offence at my comment about Nigerian fraudsters whilst simultaneously judging the entire police force and one officer in paticular.

If the first thing anybody said was "whites are likely to be paedophiles", you and many others, would have made the exact same "its so unfair,i shouldnt be victim to this" speech. THAT is why you're complaining about invisible double standards, in order to try and enhance your feelings of victimisation.

What?! If someone started a thread like that I, for one, would agree with it! I do not feel remotely victimised bt the claim that most paedophiles are white males. Why should I? If I did I would just be burying my head in the sand.

Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth, and theres facts to prove it.

and that country is run by pakistanis (irrespective of their class)

Find me facts to prove Nigerians are more likely to commit fraud and white males are more likely to be paedophiles.

I will have a bash at it.

Where have i tared policeman with the same brush? I havent. But if you're referring to alis, then in that case you're tarring him and me with the same brush! The very same hypocrisy you're complaining about!

You are quite right, it was aliferste:"You see, what i was insinuating was that the police are institutionally racist anyway, therefore no wonder a policeman would come out with a statement like that.....you see now??"
"I dont need to assume anything..........the Macpherson report backs me up
Dont think anything had really moved forward since then !"

[Ramrod]

Nigerians trying to repair their world image
nigerian gov warning of fraud
'fraud is a way of life for nigerians'
read the second to last sentence in the comment by umberto gui



I have been looking for the white male paedophile bit and as yet I cannot find anything. I am not looking any longer as it is a not very nice search and I dont really want to read any more about it.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I have no idea what he's on about. Sorry.

"Vaults" in relation to public houses........it used to be room, as Defiant said, where the darts and pool were. It was usually located in one corner or at the back of the pub. It is not in any way connected to the Google searches 'vaults' in that it was not underground or had curved roof structures !!

The room was generally men only very basic decor with no carpet, where the seasoned beer (no lager please !) drinkers congregated. The term is rarely used nowadays. Another term to describe similar rooms would be the 'tap room'.

How either of these terms came into being I cannot determine. I used to spend most of my formative drinking years in 'vaults', but that was forty years ago !!

[Niles Crane]

So if you have never said that it's wrong to say so, why are we arguing?

For the sake of it i expect.

I am feeling put upon because you seem to be taking offence at my comment about Nigerian fraudsters whilst simultaneously judging the entire police force and one officer in paticular.

I didnt take offense to it at all. I questioned it by making clear; merely because Nigerians may disproportionately commit more fraud, does not mean a Nigerian is more likely to commit fraud than the next man - which is what you said.

Ramrod, none of those links prove what i've been arguing: Nigerians are more likely to commit fraud.

and that country is run by pakistanis (irrespective of their class)

When Nigeria was still under British rule, it was run by the British - and it was just as corrupt, infact more so then. Did that make the Nigerians under British rule corrupt? No.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

I didnt take offense to it at all. I questioned it by making clear; merely because Nigerians may disproportionately commit more fraud, does not mean a Nigerian is more likely to commit fraud than the next man - which is what you said.

This is the first time I mentioned the subject:" I'm saying that a fair few Nigerians go in for fraud"
Not that all of them do! I never said that, I have been at great pains not to say that, in fact I have pointed out that it's not the case that they all are fraudsters.

Ramrod, none of those links prove what i've been arguing: Nigerians are more likely to commit fraud.

eh? read what you just wrote. say that again?

When Nigeria was still under British rule, it was run by the British - and it was just as corrupt, infact more so then. Did that make the Nigerians under British rule corrupt? No.

So you are saying that Nigeria is corrupt!
So what's wrong with me saying that Nigerians seem to go in for a lot of fraud?

[basa]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

When Nigeria was still under British rule, it was run by the British - and it was just as corrupt, infact more so then. Did that make the Nigerians under British rule corrupt? No.

This seems to be an odd conclusion ??......

If Nigeria was corrupt under British rule and is still corrupt now under Nigerian rule, that would seem to prove to me that it is indeed the Nigerians (the constant) who are corrupt

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

Ramrod, none of those links prove what i've been arguing: Nigerians are more likely to commit fraud.



.

Not even the last one?
Or how about the fact that the Nigerian government is taking out newspaper ads to warn people about Nigerian fraudsters?

[Niles Crane]

I have been at great pains not to say that

You failed:

"open your eyes to the possibility that black male Nigerians (for instance) are more likely to commit fraud."
And your copper conversation:
"I asked him if any ethnic group was more likely to be found commiting fraud here and he instantly replied: "Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!"

eh? read what you just wrote. say that again?

I meant arguing against.

So you are saying that Nigeria is corrupt!

I've lived in Nigeria.........yes i am bloody well saying Nigeria is corrupt country.

So what's wrong with me saying that Nigerians seem to go in for a lot of fraud?

Theres that victimisation mentality again. NOTHING. And i never said there was. Sheesh.

If Nigeria was corrupt under British rule and is still corrupt now under Nigerian rule, that would seem to prove to me that it is indeed the Nigerians (the constant) who are corrupt

Thats a pretty poor logic, especially seeing as the Nigerians under British rule werent the corrupt ones. Therefore, the Nigerians in your statement are not a constant. If the above simple, narrow logic is all it takes to prove something to you, then God help us all.
And its the British who instilled corruption in the culture of Nigeria, which is part and parcel of the current state of Nigeria. But thats a whole different debate entirely.

Or how about the fact that the Nigerian government is taking out newspaper ads to warn people about Nigerian fraudsters?

You say as a group, white males are more likely to commit acts of peadophillia.
So going by your logic above, because the British dont advertise warnings to people about white, male, hetrosexual paedophiles then that proves white, male, hetrosexuals as a group arent more likely to commit acts of paedophillia.
And the Nigerian government warn people about Nigerian fraudsters, because Nigerian fraud is a big problem and Nigerians, proportionately commit more fraud. None of this proves that any ethnic group is more likely to commit fraud. Especially, as i've already said; there is no Nigerian ethnic group.