School gym forced to shut

[demented]

Originally Posted by i-Set

Hey guys

I do not understand why there is the issue of religion, Quran, "muslims are cowards" etc come into this topic. The way I see it is that the school in question is an independent all girls school. Their parents have paid so much money for them to be "well taught" and be segregated from boys. Simple, why make something so simple into something it is not.

I think the school are wrong to kick them out either on religious, or independent school v everybody else, or one sex v the other. If the independent school wants a mature relationship with the outside community it should operate a reasonable policy. This is not a muslim bashing thread at all, some people on here find it just as wrong whether it's muslims causing it or not.

Originally Posted by i-Set

You may say well that the gym is being used after school hours, that still does not matter seeing as the gym is based inside the school (correct me if im wrong) and the girl students are bound to be there as it is school facility which the parents are paying for.

It may be based inside the school but is not inside of school hours as far as I can tell. These children are not being forced to go to the gym so I don't see the problem of peacefully coexisting. If the piece is to believed the lot being kicked out contain some in a vurnerable group (young). The attitude rather of one of compassion and understanding seems to be one of immaturity just applying some far reaching abitrary objection based solely on the gender (and if it is to be believed, religion in some cases).

Originally Posted by i-Set

If this was an ordinary comprehensive school then I would have sympathized with many people on here but what I'm trying to say is the parents argument is justified for this specific case. Media propaganda eh lol seems to be the new fashion "all these Muslims in our country are corrupt and terrorists".

If it were an ordinary comprehensive school it would be totally out of order. Let's be frank, the media coverage in general is not very weighted. On the one end of the scale you have all the wailing and nonsense about terrorism and inflamatory language but the other end of the scale is just as much as a nonsense talking about muslims in the abstract being "moderate" and dragging on "leaders" of the community that are not really represenative. Both sides of the coverage are just as daft.

[Raistlin]

Ahem.....the discussion here is the story linked to in the OP, not the comparative merits of independent religions.

[soicky]

sorry to go off-topic here but i think it's important to say all this hate that is shown towards Muslims not just in this thread but throughout the world because of the actions of a small minority of Muslims will cause more drift between the moderate Muslim, it's sad to say but some people (bnp) want this to happen.

More Muslims will be radicalised by this hate shown towards them. It doesn't help the overall situation that we are dealing with on a day to day basis.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by soicky

sorry to go off-topic here but i think it's important to say all this hate that is shown towards Muslims not just in this thread but throughout the world because of the actions of a small minority of Muslims will cause more drift between the moderate Muslim, it's sad to say but some people (bnp) want this to happen.

More Muslims will be radicalised by this hate shown towards them. It doesn't help the overall situation that we are dealing with on a day to day basis.

being critical of, and being fed up to the back teeth of them trying to change our great nation one step at a time is hardly racist/hate, its just voicing opinion , and if more Muslims are radicalised because they cant take criticism i wont lose any sleep over it.
any hoo lets hope the kids can find a new venue for the gym thats whats important here not our views on religion

i would like to offer another explanation as to why the parents in question objected to the gym club.

The school in question ,old palace school ,croydon,(former home of the arch bishop of canterbury)is a private/independant school of mixed ethnicity for girls age 5-18yrs,it's religious leaning is church of england, it also has a chapel and is a registered charity.
given these facts i find it hard to believe that the parents who have objected to the after school gym club because it has boys in it(some as young as 5yrs that's why the organiser won't move the club to a later time)are "hard line Muslims" at all .If they were then they would not send there daughters to a church of England school.

I think they are plain and simple unrelenting snobs and cannot stand the thought of boys even being on the premises when they have paid "good money" to keep their little darlings away from boys

if on the other hand they are quoting religious reasons for creating such a fuss about nothing then they are the biggest hypocrites in gods creation and i would like to know how they can justify "picking and choosing"which part of their religion they enforce

Having looked on the schools website at the numerous promotional photos they show pictures of many girls ,possibly muslim possibly not,i cannot tell because they all have the same uniform on,not a single veil in sight I assume they have male teachers as-well which would mean that the muslim girls are coming into contact with males which is what this discussion is all about
so i hope the people in question are snobs because that's easily dealt with
if on the other hand the gym club has to be closed or moved on religious grounds then the school has a really big problem considering how it claims to support the local community

quote from the schools web site

" developing, throughout the community, supportive and constructive relationships based on mutual respect and understanding, upholding the values and Christian ideals of our Founders";

i think that all parties should get round a table and show a bit of common sense and leave religion out of it..and perhaps ask the children what they want

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

i would like to offer another explanation as to why the parents in question objected to the gym club.

The school in question ,old palace school ,croydon,(former home of the arch bishop of canterbury)is a private/independant school of mixed ethnicity for girls age 5-18yrs,it's religious leaning is church of england, it also has a chapel and is a registered charity.
given these facts i find it hard to believe that the parents who have objected to the after school gym club because it has boys in it(some as young as 5yrs that's why the organiser won't move the club to a later time)are "hard line Muslims" at all .If they were then they would not send there daughters to a church of England school.

I think they are plain and simple unrelenting snobs and cannot stand the thought of boys even being on the premises when they have paid "good money" to keep their little darlings away from boys

if on the other hand they are quoting religious reasons for creating such a fuss about nothing then they are the biggest hypocrites in gods creation and i would like to know how they can justify "picking and choosing"which part of their religion they enforce

Having looked on the schools website at the numerous promotional photos they show pictures of many girls ,possibly muslim possibly not,i cannot tell because they all have the same uniform on,not a single veil in sight I assume they have male teachers as-well which would mean that the muslim girls are coming into contact with males which is what this discussion is all about
so i hope the people in question are snobs because that's easily dealt with
if on the other hand the gym club has to be closed or moved on religious grounds then the school has a really big problem considering how it claims to support the local community

quote from the schools web site

" developing, throughout the community, supportive and constructive relationships based on mutual respect and understanding, upholding the values and Christian ideals of our Founders";

i think that all parties should get round a table and show a bit of common sense and leave religion out of it..and perhaps ask the children what they want

bloody good idea

[soicky]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

being fed up to the back teeth of them trying to change our great nation one step at a time is hardly racist/hate

It's always us and them Who's them? Muslims, Non-British, Asians?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

and if more Muslims are radicalised because they cant take criticism i wont lose any sleep over it.

If you think for a second what do you think they are going to do? Stay in their rooms playing computer games. No they are going to cause mass destruction and devastation throughout, you might not loose any sleep, but a heck of alot of people will.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

It is about time, someone spoke there mind on this matter, and l appulad you for saying it.

It is about time, this was said, and my opion is quite simple, if you don't like it, move to another school, and leave the kids to do what they want

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

It is about time, someone spoke there mind on this matter, and l appulad you for saying it.

It is about time, this was said, and my opion is quite simple, if you don't like it, move to another school, and leave the kids to do what they want

Arthur, the kids at the gym class don't attend the school - the gym club is not part of the private school, it just uses the room after hours.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by soicky

It's always us and them Who's them? Muslims, Non-British, Asians?



If you think for a second what do you think they are going to do? Stay in their rooms playing computer games. No they are going to cause mass destruction and devastation throughout, you might not loose any sleep, but a heck of alot of people will.

not playing --if we're not discussing the gym we're simply not discussing anything ,especially what some might do if i don't care that they cant take criticism .

[Arthurgray50@blu]

[Hi Foreverwar, Point taken, But l still applaud the person for saying what was said.

We simply have to make a stand.

And all this farrago is based on hear-say from the Gym Club organiser.............

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

[Hi Foreverwar, Point taken, But l still applaud the person for saying what was said.

We simply have to make a stand.

So, even if your statement wasn't based on facts, you stand by it.


Oooookaaay, then.

Originally Posted by soicky

sorry to go off-topic here but i think it's important to say all this hate that is shown towards Muslims not just in this thread but throughout the world because of the actions of a small minority of Muslims will cause more drift between the moderate Muslim, it's sad to say but some people (bnp) want this to happen.

More Muslims will be radicalised by this hate shown towards them. It doesn't help the overall situation that we are dealing with on a day to day basis.

firstly.. i think HATE is a bit strong when used in context of this thread,i don't think that a critisism of a race or religion makes a person racist or full of hate

secondly..Most religions tend to evolve over time to suit the time they are in.Most muslims in Britain are "evolving their beliefs"to suit living in the 21st century.however there is a minority of muslims who refuse to leave the barbaric ways of 1000yrs ago these are the people who need the critisism.Perhaps the moderate muslims should show a bit more courage and tell the radicals/hard liners were to get off

and before anyone has a go at me for calling muslims of a 1000yrs ago barbaric then for the record christianity was just as barbaric if not more

there i've just critised 2 religions so i must be full of hate ..better go and lie down

[jonbxx]

Nice school, Old Palace. I used to go out with a girl from there when I was 16. Happy days.....

There are some unanswered questions here. IF the parents of the muslim girls wanted an environment free from boys/men for their girls, did they say so? Did the school promise such an environment? I would guess (and this is a guess!) that they might have checked this out before deciding to shell out a sizable amount of cash sending their kids there. IF this was the case, then they would have every right to complain when the school let boys in.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

And all this farrago is based on hear-say from the Gym Club organiser.............

It might well be hearsay (Mmmmm....Myleene... ) but no-one seems interested in denying it.