Football : Season 2011/12

[Uncle Peter]

He has been found guilty of something the FA disciplinary committee have decided he is guilty of. The club know what evidence has been lodged against the player, what's missing at this point is their interpretation of the evidence which forms their judgement.

Originally Posted by denphone

l have paid attention totally to the case but l am posing the question of sometime in the future will we be able to call someone black and you have not answered that question so far as if l call someone black will l be accused of being racist sometime in the future by someone.

I am not answering that question because it has nothing to do with the issue at hand and is a straw man argument.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

He has been found guilty of something the FA disciplinary committee have decided he is guilty of. The club know what evidence has been lodged against the player, what's missing at this point is their interpretation of the evidence which forms their judgement.

Yes, The FA decided he was guilty after a long process. Professional football clubs in the UK are subject to the FA's rules and practises. Every club in the country have to abide by them and following their disciplinary procedures if they fall foul of those rules.

[Uncle Peter]

The FA cannot be allowed to make such decisions that will lead to damaging consequences for an individual or his family, that is the problem. If Suarez or any other player for that matter is stands accused of abusing another individual on the basis of their racial background then it is a criminal matter and should be dealt with as such. The wording of the FA charge can be interpreted as: might be racist but might not, either way we think it's against our rules while they have the audacity to stand there and thump the anti-racism tub.

This is exactly why the club have reacted as they have. The shock for everyone is that a club has actually stood up to the FA.

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

The FA cannot be allowed to make such decisions that will lead to damaging consequences for an individual or his family, that is the problem. If Suarez or any other player for that matter is stands accused of abusing another individual on the basis of their racial background then it is a criminal matter and should be dealt with as such. The wording of the FA charge can be interpreted as: might be racist but might not, either way we think it's against our rules while they have the audacity to stand there and thump the anti-racism tub.

No they accused him of using racist language. He admitted to using the words but disputes the context. It appears the FA spent a lot of time consulting spanish and south american language experts to judge the context.

This is exactly why the club have reacted as they have. The shock for everyone is that a club has actually stood up to the FA.

No. Chelsea did the same, stuck up for their player. They managed to do so without attacking the accusers or Anton Ferdinand.

The shock is how Liverpool questioned Evra's character despite Suárez's admission he did say the word. Even if you believe everything Liverpool had said, Evra was not to know about the 'South American meaning' of the word he used. So why Liverpool still decided to attack him in an official press release is beyond me.

[Uncle Peter]

The Patrice Evra who insulted Suarez with a derogatory term based on his origin and is not facing a similar charge?

ok then

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

The Patrice Evra who insulted Suarez with a derogatory term based on his origin and is not facing a similar charge?

ok then

Ah so Evra did do it even though there is even less evidence of that incident than the Suarez one? Liverpool seem to have suddenly found his issue but I don't believe for a moment they are concerned with the issue of racism given the way they have conducted this entire affair, they just want to get their player off the hook.

If a team member of Arsenal was accused of racism I would expect the club to defend him until found guilty. I would be ashamed if they went after the accuser.

[Uncle Peter]

Well there's not exactly a lack of evidence as Evra himself admitted what he had said. This is not a case of getting the player off-the-hook, it's a case of him clearing his name.

I don't believe that the FA are serious about anything other than pursuing their war against Sepp Blatter after the World Cup bid debacle and the way they conducted themselves over that.

[denphone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295932.stm

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez will appeal against his Football Association punishment for racially abusing Patrice Evra, according to his lawyer.

"He [Suarez] is firmly convinced this hard sanction can be reversed."

Speaking at a news conference in Uruguay capital Montevideo, Balbi said that it would be Liverpool's lawyers who made the appeal to the FA.

Arsenal have moved their Premier League match with Wolves back 24 hours to 27 December because of proposed industrial action on the London Underground.

"We apologise for the inconvenience this may have caused supporters, but we feel that the right decision has been made based on a duty of care."

All tickets purchased will still be valid for 27 December, when the match will kick-off at 1500 GMT.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16300935.stm

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

So Suarez called Evra a 'negro' or words to that effect. He then admits saying it, but his arguments were a) it's not so bad to use it in Uraguay, and b) all Evra's Utd team mates would say the same. I doubt anyone at Utd calls Evra a negro.

The FA charged and found Suarez guilty of using offensive language. So what will Suarez's appeal be based on considering he admitted to using those words. Also its important to note that he has also played in Holland, where such language would more than likely be termed as offensive too.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

but his arguments were a) it's not so bad to use it in Uraguay,

The irony is if he was black (or non-white) there would be people queuing up to say "you're in Britain now, learn our customs or leave" etc

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

If Terry gets away with this scot-free then the FA will have no grounds to charge him and had this not been reported to the police by the member of the public there is no reason to believe that this particular incident would ever see the light of day.

Suarez on the other hand was charged on the basis of an accusation by another player and his case was heard by a supposedly independent disciplinary committee, appointed by the FA of course. The problem that the FA now have is that they have accused Suarez of something which will leave him open to potentially libellous actions such as the nonsense printed on the back of some of the red-tops this morning. The FA have opened a huge can of worms for themselves and started a war that will end very badly for them.

Suarez has admitted using that language that the FA have penalised him for. He's just disputing it was offensive! He might have been accused by Evra but he has admitted to saying it.

[denphone]

Here are a couple of articles on the Evra/Suarez affair explaining things a bit better.

http://www.kopsource.com/why-culture...racism-ruling/

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...better-but-his

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by denphone

Here are a couple of articles on the Evra/Suarez affair explaining things a bit better.

http://www.kopsource.com/why-culture...racism-ruling/

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...better-but-his

I would saying that refering to you own team mate, for example as the "Black Boss", cannot be used to justify calling an oponent (who's more than likely not your mate), blacky.... (which the term negrita can mean). He can't use the excuse of it being ok in his culture. He should have known (and most probably would have known) that he can't get away with using those words against evra. The only thing I think he can appeal against is the length of the ban.

Personally I hope the FA raise it for a stupid appeal.

[Uncle Peter]

and if Evra had used a Spanish word for South American which can only be used in the most objectionable, racially abusive context?

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

and if Evra had used a Spanish word for South American which can only be used in the most objectionable, racially abusive context?

Then he should get a 8 match ban as well. It appears the FA are not convinced by the evidence for that however.