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[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

As i said: My point being, would the policeman be so quick to make such abrupt comments if it affected him? - his profession is a policeman.

He would be quick to say that there are racist elements in the force.

Yes, and since Pakistan has a very high population and all the corruption in the statistics is based on the middle class ie those with power then the statistics dont reflect Pakistani's in general. Especially as i assume when we say "Pakistani" we're also including expatriates.

That really is squirming. So you are now saying that middle class Pakistanis (in Pakistan) are the most corrupt people in the world?

If you cant understand what it has to do with the discussion already, then no amount of spelling will help.

Nevertheless, please try.

Theres no conclusive evidence to prove the above statement true.

Come off it, of course white males are more likely to be paedophiles. . You were trying to get me to say that in the first place. Don't backpedal on me here.

You need to understand the difference:
Because Nigerians may commit more fraud, does not mean a Nigerian is any more likely to commit fraud over a Cameroonian. Being Nigerian doesnt automatically up the chance.
And because white males may commit more acts of peadophillia, does not mean a white male is any more likely to over a black male. Being white and male doesnt automatically up the chance.
That goes back to my comment before, which you couldnt comphrehend earlier.

I know, taken as an individual no person is more likely to do anything more than another. Statistics 101. But taken as a group, which is what we are talking about, things are different.

Not really. Certainly no more than the average country. This is a weird example you've given..........you'd be better saying Americans or Irishmen

Fine, lets say Americans or Irishmen....

[Ramrod]

Anyhow Ezenden, I'm off to play a spot of Mohaa before bed. Argue some more tomorrow.

Night all

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Picky again. You say that you think that I am a liar. So in effect you are saying that I am a liar. In addition you are taking the mick. If you have run out of decent arguments just say so.

You can call it picky all you want. But those differences, erm make the world of difference. If i meant to say you're a liar, i would have. I specifically use my words pedantically for this precise reason.

Are you serious that it's allright to insult a policeman?

On duty, without provocation? No.
On duty, with provocation? Yes.
Off duty, yes. Now either your policeman client (assuming he exists ) was off duty, or he really is a moron by taking liberties while he's being paid to work - paid with our money i might add .

[Niles Crane]

That really is squirming. So you are now saying that middle class Pakistanis (in Pakistan) are the most corrupt people in the world?

That really is ignoring my answer and responding with another question.
I'm saying that the middle class (those with power, as already said - the minority of Pakistanis) are the ones which make up most of the corruption in Pakistan. Which is why Pakistanis as a people cannot be considered corrupt. Which is what i said before, and answers your original question.

Nevertheless, please try.

See below for a sarcastic answer. If you're intelligent enough, which i should think you are, then you'll work it out.

Come off it, of course white males are more likely to be paedophiles. . You were trying to get me to say that in the first place.

Erm, no i wasnt. I was giving an example of what its like when the shoe is on the other foot.

I know, taken as an individual no person is more likely to do anything more than another. Statistics 101. But taken as a group, which is what we are talking about, things are different.

Well thats mostly my point. So why did you question it when i said it before?
But unfortunetly, some people find it hard to differentiate between a group and an individual.

Fine, lets say Americans or Irishmen....

Huh? Whats that got to do with anything?

Heres another clue (infact, the answer): double standards.

[aliferste]

About racict elements in the police

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3174810.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3208678.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3208310.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3209606.stm

Oh dear on dear........just wait till you see what is going to be on th enews tonight !

[aliferste]

Where has Defiant gone?

I want to know more about these "vaults" !!!

Originally Posted by aliferste

Where has Defiant gone?

I want to know more about these "vaults" !!!

Go to any true British pub and you have a vualt entrance and a lounge entrance. They dont have them abroad thats what must have thrown you

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

You can call it picky all you want. But those differences, erm make the world of difference. If i meant to say you're a liar, i would have. I specifically use my words pedantically for this precise reason.

So you think I am lying...thanks

On duty, without provocation? No.
On duty, with provocation? Yes.
Off duty, yes. Now either your policeman client (assuming he exists ) was off duty, or he really is a moron by taking liberties while he's being paid to work - paid with our money i might add .

He was off duty (as all my patients are when they see me)
So you are insulting him without ever meeting him and getting to know him, on the basis of a report about police as a whole. But you, on the other hand, think I am wrong to say that Nigerians seem to be involved in a lot of fraud? Note, I am not saying that all Nigerians are involved in fraud or even that a majority are. Just that a lot of cases of fraud here involve Nigerians.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by aliferste

About racict elements in the police

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3174810.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3208678.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3208310.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3209606.stm

Oh dear on dear........just wait till you see what is going to be on th enews tonight !

It is terrible, but that does not make the officer that I am talking about a racist and neither does it dispel the observation that Nigerians seem to go in for more than their fair share of fraud.

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So you think I am lying...thanks

Yes, as i've already said. Please stop making me repeat myself, its incredibly tedious, and i'm surprised you even care what i think.

He was off duty (as all my patients are when they see me)
So you are insulting him without ever meeting him and getting to know him, on the basis of a report about police as a whole. But you, on the other hand, think I am wrong to say that Nigerians seem to be involved in a lot of fraud? Note, I am not saying that all Nigerians are involved in fraud or even that a majority are. Just that a lot of cases of fraud here involve Nigerians.

No, i'm insulting him based on what he said (or what you infact said, he said). But as i doubt he even exists, and if he does exist then i doubt he said what you claim then its pretty irrelevant. I doubt he said what you claim because i doubt a policeman (a competent one) would speak in such a tone and manner. Unless they were speaking in private to a close friend.

"Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!" - these are not the words of a competent, intelligent or mature policeman.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Go to any true British pub and you have a vualt entrance and a lounge entrance. They dont have them abroad thats what must have thrown you

What are you talking about? I go into British pubs all the time....none of them have vaults!!

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ezenden

Yes, as i've already said. Please stop making me repeat myself, its incredibly tedious, and i'm surprised you even care what i think.

No, i'm insulting him based on what he said (or what you infact said, he said). But as i doubt he even exists, and if he does exist then i doubt he said what you claim then its pretty irrelevant. I doubt he said what you claim because i doubt a policeman (a competent one) would speak in such a tone and manner. Unless they were speaking in private to a close friend.

"Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!" - these are not the words of a competent, intelligent or mature policeman.

He was just speaking as he saw it, and yes, I have known him for a few years.
I don't understand why It's allright to say something like 'white males seem to make up the largest section of paedophiles' But it's not all right to make a comment (based on experience) about Nigerians and fraud!
....and it's all right for you to say that Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth (even if it is just the 'middle class Pakistanis')
....and it's all right for you to tar allpolicemen with the same brush.
It seems as if it's one rule for you and another one for me!

Originally Posted by aliferste

What are you talking about? I go into British pubs all the time....none of them have vaults!!

Then their must not be any old style pubs were you live

[aliferste]

Ramrod.....do YOU know what Defiant is going on about with these "vaults"
Now hes talking about going on holiday abroad......usually i find in spain and places like that the pubs are kinda similar......stools and stuff.....sometimes you get karaoke rooms ~shudder~ but no "Vaults"

I need this cleared up about these "vaults" in intriged.......I go down to Birmingham a lot and go to pubs there and have never seen this "vault" phenomenon!!

A quick search on google found

http://images.google.com/images?q=va...=Google+Search

Which pretty much summed up what i thought......although i thought they should be abit more gritty!!!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Then their must not be any old style pubs were you live

They all are round here. One of the pubs I drink in has a sign proudly proclaiming it to have opened in 1645. Maybe it's a Salford/Manchester thing, we just don't seem to get them around London.