Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

That doesn't explain why his age is relevant. He may well have been 14, but could have been 6 foot and built like a brick outhouse. I was at 14. As such, he would be more than capable of defending himself.

And just to illustrate the contrast, at the end of year 9 (aged about 14 1/2) I was about 5 foot tall, looked barely 12, and sounded it. With children that age you can't draw any inference to their physical stature. If he was small for his age he could still have been a gobby, manipulative little thing though. It doesn't take much to get a class of kids on your side, if you're one of them.

Originally Posted by alferret

I'm 43 years old pal with a lot of miles under my belt, I may be a little rough round the edges & not as eloquently a wordsmith like some people on here but I am not stupid I understand fully what the difference is between and adult and a child, it doesnt need pointing out. Last time I looked though a 14 yr old wasnt a child (I bet if you called him that to his face he would have spat in your eye) He is a young man nearly an adult, actually closer to an adult than a child thats why they call them TEENAGERS.

Obviously being 2am when you posted this it seems to me that you dont read to well, I see you missed the bit where I said





Selective quoting at its worse lol (oh & dont say "I was only pointing out the bits where you said blah blah) because that point was & is relevant to what you are saying about me so......

Let me state for the record AGAIN!

I do not condone what Mr Harvey done, what happened to that young man was inexcusable but. How much verbal & mental abuse should one person take especially if that person was known to be in a fragile state of mind?
The school and his doctors all knew that he was on the verge of a breakdown and the kids in his class knew that too. What gives them (the kids) the right to verbally abuse a 50yr old man? Do you condone what the kids have done? You can (not you personally) argue the point where 10-15 pupils all aged between 14 & 15 are picking on a vunerable person that when that person snapped what happened as a result was wrong (which it was) but should that person be held responsible for his actions to the point where he is charged for attempted murder? I dont think so & neither did the Judge or jury.
I am pleased he got the lesser charge, which is what it should have been all along and that he is a free man. I also think that the fallout of his actions means that he will be unemployable as a teacher for the rest of his working life but the authorities owe him due to their lack of care which allowed him back into work in the first place, it was obvious that he wasnt in a fit state mentally.
I personally think that every kid in that classroom that goaded Mr Harvey into his breakdown should be charged with verbal & mental abuse, excluded, no expelled from the school and that the local education authority deny them an education because at the end of the day they behaved like a wild pack of animals.

Dont like what I write put me on ignore you wont be the first lol.

He had apparently warned the authorities of his fears that he would harm someone.
Why did the alarm bells not ring?
Or was it more the case that the school was short of teachers due to long term sickness etc?
And he went back to work with his head not in order?
It is not unique in schools, even in the job I do, all the employer wants is you back in work.
I do not condone what the teacher did, but nor do I condone what the pupil did.
This may turn out to be one very expensive lesson for all concerned, and that is not taking account of how much this will now cost the education authority in money that could have been used for better reasons.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But that is exactly what you are doing, your posts on this thread are testament to that.

& good morning to you & where have I been selectively not quoting. Point it out for me for I am being rather thick.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

plain and simple, the kids at school are now uncontrolable, and get away with things, that l never got away with at school.

Teachers are sworn, hit, everything, as these kids know that a teacher cannot have a go back, and this is what happens, bring back school punishment.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by alferret

& good morning to you & where have I been selectively not quoting. Point it out for me for I am being rather thick.

What?

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

What?

Ah yes my bad, didnt see the bold bit.


No I am not condoning what he has done (if you dont, wont or cant understand that flyboyz let me know which language you need it translating into & I will do my upmost to please you) just because I am not getting on the guys back unlike some people.
I assume your OK with teenagers pushing people as far as the can then.

[Neil22]

Just picked up on this story, my lad goes to QE in Mansfield and like all the pupils is on the side of the teacher, the pupils have nothing but praise for Mr Harvey.

The child in question has been suspended from school numerous times because of his behaviour.

The cane needs bringing back into schools ASAP. It never did me any harm.