[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 126

**Damien** · 13-05-2016, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Osem

... and 'that story' amounts to one tiny piece of the whole in/out argument.

It is though the story which Chris posted to which I was replying.

**Hugh** · 13-05-2016, 18:19

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Originally Posted by martyh

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Euro-enthusiasts hope that, over time, the commitment to “ever-closer union” written into the EU's founding treaty will bring less United Nations and more United States.

so definitely not a "symbolic phrase" then ,more of a " it's going to happen because that's the whole point" sort of thing

That's a bit of a stretch from 'hope'...

I hope I'm going to be rich, handsome, and famous, but I don't think it's going to happen...

13-05-2016, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That's a bit of a stretch from 'hope'...

I hope I'm going to be rich, handsome, and famous, but I don't think it's going to happen...

I was referring to the bit that said "ever-closer union” written into the EU's founding treaty"
If something is written as part of a treaty it can hardly be considered a symbolic phrase

heero_yuy · 13-05-2016, 19:02

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Originally Posted by martyh

I was referring to the bit that said "ever-closer union” written into the EU's founding treaty"
If something is written as part of a treaty it can hardly be considered a symbolic phrase

Exactly, a vote for stay is to be subsumed into the EU state project.

Ramrod · 13-05-2016, 20:02

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Originally Posted by martyh

so definitely not a "symbolic phrase" then ,more of a " it's going to happen because that's the whole point" sort of thing

Exactly. That's what I've been saying all along. It is the whole bloody point of the EU!
An 'in' vote will set us on the path to eventual total subjugation......and no, I'm not being dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That's a bit of a stretch from 'hope'...

I hope I'm going to be rich, handsome, and famous, but I don't think it's going to happen...

No, he said that Euro-enthusiasts 'hope'. The EU machine has it on it's 'to do' list.

**Hugh** · 13-05-2016, 20:07

Well, considering the Treaty of Rome was signed in 1958, like most "New World Order" organisations, they're not very timely in doing it, are they...

Ramrod · 13-05-2016, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, considering the Treaty of Rome was signed in 1958, like most "New World Order" organisations, they're not very timely in doing it, are they...

Considering how many countries they are trying to bring together under one anti-democratric unbrella, they are doing quite well.

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Brexit: The Movie

**Damien** · 13-05-2016, 20:45

I am confused as to if the EU are evil schemers who'll bring about the EU super state or important buffoons that will crash the EU project and bring us all down with it....

Ramrod · 13-05-2016, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am confused as to if the EU are evil schemers who'll bring about the EU super state or important buffoons that will crash the EU project and bring us all down with it....

Probably both.

Has anyone here read the Five presidents report:Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union.

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Report by:
Jean-Claude Juncker
in close cooperation with
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi
and
Martin Schulz

Ramrod · 14-05-2016, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Considering how many countries they are trying to bring together under one anti-democratric unbrella, they are doing quite well.

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Brexit: The Movie

Please watch this

Big Brian · 14-05-2016, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am confused as to if the EU are evil schemers who'll bring about the EU super state or important buffoons that will crash the EU project and bring us all down with it....

The EU is not evil it's just what they want. They want a Super State to ensure that WW II and the like doesn't happen again. This can go 2 ways IMO.

1. We vote to stay and the eventual outcome is a European Super State.

2. We vote to leave and the EU is finished.

France and the Netherlands have already had murmurings of a referendum if we vote to leave.

I am against a USE. I'm against more of our powers being given to Brussels. I am for total independence and will vote to leave. Nothing will change my mind on that.

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BREXIT CONTAGION: Now nearly HALF of Europeans want their own EU referendum

In a survey of more than 6,000 people - across Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Spain and Sweden - 45 per cent said they wanted their own vote of whether to remain part of the 28-country bloc.

And in news likely to shock Brussels officials, almost half of Italians (48 per cent) and four in ten Frenchmen and Swedes (41 per cent and 39 per cent respectively) said they would vote to leave the EU if they were given the chance.

arcimedes · 14-05-2016, 10:02

Brexit the movie. What a load of complete rubbish and I say that after watching all of two minutes.

Basically blame the EU bureaucrats because you cant be bothered to go out and vote.

Oh and by the way what useful contributions has UKIP made at the Eu Parliament? I really would like to know.

Ramrod · 14-05-2016, 10:27

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Originally Posted by arcimedes

Brexit the movie. What a load of complete rubbish and I say that after watching all of two minutes.

Glad you watched it all before making your mind up

**Damien** · 14-05-2016, 11:12

I like the budget Adam Curtis though. The voice is so similar it has to be intentional?

arcimedes · 14-05-2016, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Glad you watched it all before making your mind up

If you cant keep your audience even for more than a minute or so, you need to rethink your strategy.