Show us your desktops - Page 12

anarion · 23-07-2003, 16:31

sorry pc went nuts.....so not the new version then?

Dupre · 23-07-2003, 16:36

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Originally posted by towny
Utter BS - there is absolutely nothing 'open source' about any Micro$oft product. Its source code is a very closely guarded secret. Apple's Darwin, on the other hand, is truly open source as you well know and have discussed in other threads. It's UNIX, for goodness sake ... it doesn't get much more open than that.

As for hardware, yes, Apple's hardware is proprietory, but then so is PC. The only difference is IBM have licenced their product; Apple by and large have not.

As for US anti-trust legislation, it is designed to protect against market dominance and has nothing to do with whether a product is proprietory or not. For a whole range of reasons (poor marketing by Apple in the 1990s being one of them) Microsoft has a dominant position in the desktop Operating System market. This leads to closer scrutiny of their business practices than for Apple, which has a comparitively tiny share of the desktop OS market.

I really wish you wouldnt reply to me, you make yourself look more stupid to the people in my office, everytime you do.
When they finally teach you to read, notice i said that Windows/DOS/PC's are more "open source" <= notice the speach marks, go ask a parent what that usually means.

Windows has standard layers in which applications can run, and those systems are open for people to use with programming languages, Microsoft VS is still the most compatible environment for Windows, where-as borland does a good job, and works through some of its own layers, libraries and work arounds. UNIX isnt even slightly open source, Linux is, UNIX isnt... hence why SCO are suing everyone under the sun, its alot harder to program for Macs than PCs because there architectures are completely different, theres masses and masses of reffernce code for x86 structures, because its open, everyone knows it, microsoft have to conform to this in order to get things to run. Apples run on a system that is proprietry, like MP3... but in this case, most of the coding and technology isny avilable for people to access, even if you wrote a program for UNIX or Linux, it would work probabaly at best 80%... thats a generous number, but it wont work, if it did... there would be many people besides mac users using iTunes...

now before you reply to this, go read a book on computer architecture, or like me, take a degree in software engineering, then come back and comment.

Lew · 23-07-2003, 17:11

[EDIT: Such uninformed drivel isn't even worth a reply]

**Chris** · 23-07-2003, 17:35

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Originally posted by Dupre
I really wish you wouldnt reply to me,

Then go and utter your drivel where no-one has to listen to you instead of in a public discussion forum.

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... like me, take a degree in software engineering,

It's a pity you don't use your vast knowledge and experience to help members of this forum. All I ever seem to see you do on here is log in long enough to post a line or two of patronizing, unhelpful hot air.

I shall leave others more technically qualified than I to judge how well you are applying your degree. But I can't help noticing the smell of BS on the air.

Bifta · 23-07-2003, 17:36

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Originally posted by Dupre
now before you reply to this, go read a book on computer architecture, or like me, take a degree in software engineering, then come back and comment.

I'm guessing a GCSE in manners wasn't a prerequisite for your geeky degree course.

Dupre · 23-07-2003, 21:14

odd how any time i post all you do is bad mouth me, you just like jumping in and antagonising people my guess. Any info i provide is factual and based on what i know from my job and degrees.

BenH · 23-07-2003, 21:16

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Originally posted by Dupre
I really wish you wouldnt reply to me, you make yourself look more stupid to the people in my office, everytime you do.
When they finally teach you to read, notice i said that Windows/DOS/PC's are more "open source" <= notice the speach marks, go ask a parent what that usually means.

I would say that there is plenty of documentation available for the API's which make the job slightly easier, so long as you use M$ approved compilers and languages and there are plenty of snippets of code available making coding an app somewhat easier. However then you have all the fun of the instabilities, slightly different versions of API's and of course the DLL's.

It once took me 70 hours to code a serial comms app for a uP slave, all because MS decided you dont really need to access the serial ports.

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Windows has standard layers in which applications can run, and those systems are open for people to use with programming languages, Microsoft VS is still the most compatible environment for Windows, where-as borland does a good job, and works through some of its own layers, libraries and work arounds. UNIX isnt even slightly open source, Linux is, UNIX isnt... hence why SCO are suing everyone under the sun, its alot harder to program for Macs than PCs because there architectures are completely different, theres masses and masses of reffernce code for x86 structures, because its open, everyone knows it, microsoft have to conform to this in order to get things to run. Apples run on a system that is proprietry, like MP3... but in this case, most of the coding and technology isny avilable for people to access, even if you wrote a program for UNIX or Linux, it would work probabaly at best 80%... thats a generous number, but it wont work, if it did... there would be many people besides mac users using iTunes...

VS is overpriced second rate bloatware, Dev-C++ is far better and includes GDB support which walks all over the so called MS debugger. Still dont get Electric Fence however

As for UNIX, well it gets messy. Linux is UNIX like, actually a development of minix and shares code with BSD. BSD is a genetic UNIX to borrow ESR's term and the source is freely available under a non-viral license. SystemV source code (TRUE UNIX if you must) was untill recently freely available and had huge amounts of BSD code stolen and inserted into it. UNIXware and Solaris, the two 'big' commercial unicies are closed source, however there has been the accusation by former SCO coders than unixware is full of GPL code, especially the linux personality layer. Solaris shares characteristics with linux and includes some LGPL code seperate from the OS itself, eg the desktop.

AIX is a completely different kind of UNIX created by IBM, which was only able to be called UNIX via the license from Novell and later transfered to SCO(who BTW are now a band of fraudsters).

Apple still win however on design.

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now before you reply to this, go read a book on computer architecture, or like me, take a degree in software engineering, then come back and comment.

I code in ASM (x86 and MIPS) for fun, BOW BEFORE ME!!!

Now I'm off to recover my SuSE sytem after playing with the kernel a little too much

Mark W · 23-07-2003, 21:18

ok folks......be nice and dont make me paste links to the T&C.

Having a heated debate is good - insulting each other isnt

Dupre · 23-07-2003, 21:33

ASM *shudders* reminds me of my Cobol days...

Kudo's for SuSE tho

Tricky · 23-07-2003, 21:34

COBOL eh...so how much money did you make leading up to the year 2000 changing all that code...

PS this is getting of topic ... at present ... Can we keep a line... Cheers all

Dupre · 23-07-2003, 21:40

ok, back on topic, heres my current desktop... got a bit bored with the OSX one this week...

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Ramrod · 23-07-2003, 23:55

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Originally posted by Dupre
ok, back on topic, heres my current desktop... got a bit bored with the OSX one this week...

respect

I bow down before your desktop.....
Though may I suggest that you remove the links from your desktop so that the true splendour of the map can be appreciated

Bifta · 23-07-2003, 23:59

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Originally posted by Dupre
odd how any time i post all you do is bad mouth me, you just like jumping in and antagonising people my guess. Any info i provide is factual and based on what i know from my job and degrees.

Maybe it's your attitude towards other people, you need to turn that finger round and point it at yourself for once.

Ben · 24-07-2003, 00:18

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Originally posted by Bifta
Maybe it's your attitude towards other people, you need to turn that finger round and point it at yourself for once.

Enough...

Dupre · 24-07-2003, 00:35

i was looking for a scan of the metalic one floating around HMV. I have the movie poster or Middle Earth on my wall. The Desktop one is apparently a sketched out one from the book, and enlarged.

If anyone has a decent picture of the whole of Arda, gimme a PM

Also, amusing to see after i post a picture of the 3rd Age of Middle earth, Gandalf pops up ;-) White or Grey?