smoking and the pub

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Yep,a nd they could do that if there were smoking and non smoking pubs too.

Yep, and as I have said before, why should I be restricted in what pubs I go to by whether or not I am willing to passively smoke? What if my local is designated a smokers' pub? Or what if your local was made a non-smokers' club?

With my suggestion, neither of us need change our choice of venue, it's just that when you want a fag, you pop off to the smokers' room. If you want to smoke that much I am sure it's not too much of an effort.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Salu

True......but it is offensive!



Very hard to legislate though and who would decide which it is? Would you not know which it was until you walked in the door?

Plenty of pubs in my toen have signs outside stating whether smoking is allowed inside, whether there are smoking or nonsmoking policies etc etc. It's not difficult.

How would restaurants fit into this?

I've no issue with banning smoking in restaurants at all, although I still do think that having a smoke filtration/air conditioning system up to a certain standard legal standard, and having smoking/nonsmoking sections is a better is a better way to go. I smoke, but I don't smoke at the table when I go out to eat. Just becaue I smoke, it doesn't mean that I enjoy sitting in a smoky room......

I still think that a total ban is the best and easiest way forward. You don't take a bottle of wine into a cinema or your office, you just wait until you are in your own home or own time.

I wouldn't have a problem with a smoking club though. You would know what to expect and it would be clear of it's purpose. With pubs and restaurants it would need to be a blanket ban to make it clear.

No, I don't take wine to work or to the cinema. Because I'm not addicted to alcohol. But I am addicted to nicotine.

[Salu]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Yes you can if you look at the principle of it which I believe Salu was talking about. For example, speeding is subjective. 80 mph on the motorway is illegal yet in German it's not. Yet smoking kills no matter where it's done.

That's correct Russ and of course you can compare an illegal activity to an illegal one. The activity can be almost exactly the same with the only difference being the law. Eg It's legal and illegal to take drugs depending on which you take. It's the legislation that you can't compare as they are opposite.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Either way, it's not a good comparison!! You cannot compare a legal activity to an illegal one.
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Yes it is a good comparison! Driving faster than 30mph is not illegal. Driving 30mph in places where this has been specifically forbidden is illegal. Similarly, smoking is not illegal, but under these proposals, smoking in places where is has been specifically forbidden will be illegal.

In both cases, the law was/will be changed for reasons of health and safety. The comparison is very good indeed.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by clarie

Yep, and as I have said before, why should I be restricted in what pubs I go to by whether or not I am willing to passively smoke? What if my local is designated a smokers' pub? Or what if your local was made a non-smokers' club?

If my local is made non smoking, it'll go bust. Another reason why I believe it should be the landlords choice.

With my suggestion, neither of us need change our choice of venue, it's just that when you want a fag, you pop off to the smokers' room. If you want to smoke that much I am sure it's not too much of an effort.

I've been to Southern Ireland, and it is a bloody effort.

[Salu]

Originally Posted by clarie

With my suggestion, neither of us need change our choice of venue, it's just that when you want a fag, you pop off to the smokers' room. If you want to smoke that much I am sure it's not too much of an effort.

Agreed. Just like going to the toilet.....(or we could have something on the table similar to an ash tray???

Originally Posted by orangebird

If my local is made non smoking, it'll go bust. Another reason why I believe it should be the landlords choice.

They said this in Ireland .... however it didn't happen AFAIK.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Chris T

They said this in Ireland .... however it didn't happen AFAIK.

No offence, but I really don't care what happened in Ireland overall. I know my local specifically will suffer from a widespread ban. I've drank and worked there for the past 10 years.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I've been to Southern Ireland, and it is a bloody effort.

Ok well sorry about that, but an effort it should be then. I know what you're saying, and as an ex-smoker I can say one of the reasons I gave up was because my friends used to nag me every time I smoked. But too flippin right! I should have been the one to move - I was the one causing the health risk and making a bad smell! (sssh Russ).

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by clarie

Ok well sorry about that, but an effort it should be then. I know what you're saying, and as an ex-smoker I can say one of the reasons I gave up was because my friends used to nag me every time I smoked. But too flippin right! I should have been the one to move - I was the one causing the health risk and making a bad smell! (sssh Russ).

The I consider myself lucky enough that I have friends who respect my choices and mind their own business

Originally Posted by orangebird

The I consider myself lucky enough that I have friends who respect my choices and mind their own business

But you can spin that in another direction ... Claire's friends cared enough about her to want her to change her behaviour in a way that would be better for her.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

The I consider myself lucky enough that I have friends who respect my choices and mind their own business

It's not about choices or about minding their own business. It's about passive smoking. My friends had every right to dislike the fact that I was smoking in front of them. It doesn't mean they don't respect my choices. You are not respecting other people by smoking in front of them. In doing so you are making the choice for them.

Originally Posted by Chris T

But you can spin that in another direction ... Claire's friends cared enough about her to want her to change her behaviour in a way that would be better for her

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by orangebird

The I consider myself lucky enough that I have friends who respect my choices and mind their own business

I count myself lucky that I've got friends who don't smell

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Chris T

But you can spin that in another direction ... Claire's friends cared enough about her to want her to change her behaviour in a way that would be better for her.

And I'm thirty years old with an informed mind of my own. Eating Mcdonalds can be bad for you too. So can alcohol. I could go on......
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Originally Posted by Nugget

I count myself lucky that I've got friends who don't smell

I find the smell of garlic on someone repulsive. Should we ban that too?

Originally Posted by orangebird

And I'm thirty years old with an informed mind of my own. Eating Mcdonalds can be bad for you too. So can alcohol. I could go on......

So could I ... eating a Big Muck in front of me will harden your arteries with cholesterol, but will leave mine alone. Drinking a glass of wine in front of me will pickle your liver but not mine (except in moderation - a small amount of alcohol is good for you). Smoking in front of me, on the other hand, will ensure that I inhale about 10% of the fumes you do, impacting my health whether I like it or not.