smoking and the pub

Time to resurrect this old dog-end of a thread with some more statistics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7480856.stm

Apparently, England's smoking ban has caused more than 400,000 people to quit. Researchers say this could translate into 40,000 lives saved over the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by Chris T

Time to resurrect this old dog-end of a thread with some more statistics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7480856.stm

Apparently, England's smoking ban has caused more than 400,000 people to quit. Researchers say this could translate into 40,000 lives saved over the next 10 years.

Funny thing is, imagine how much tax the govt is losing on that, wont be liking that

Though..."100% compliance" is a farce.....barely any pubs round here have paid any attention to the ban.

Not that i care because 1)going out for a drink these days is just too expensive and 2)pubs have always been about going in to have a drink and a smoke

[PeteTheMusicGuy]

I dont go out for a drink that much these days but I'm glad the ban came in.

I dont smoke and I dont feel that I should have to breathe in other peoples smoke. If they want to smoke thats up to them but I should not have to as well

"Apparently, England's smoking ban has caused more than 400,000 people to quit. Researchers say this could translate into 40,000 lives saved over the next 10 years." What a great result and all we had to do to achieve it was trample on the rights of a large section of the population and restrict an activity that is legal. Hey imagine how many lives we can save by banning alcohol and fast food man those figures would be great. This wasn't some sort of victory for anyone you had one group being oppressed by the government and another group because they saw a benefit in it for themselves standing by and allowing it to happen.

What should have happened was what most wanted a clear distinction between smoking pubs\clubs\whatever and non smoking that way everyone was catered for and no one had to lose out. Given how it worked out i am amazed that some people complain about this government not listening to the people because it only bothers some when they are not listening to what you want.

For me the lesson in this was you may not indulge in something that others do but we must all defend the rights of others to do legal activities without restriction from the government. Oh and before someone says i am no longer a smoker but i still feel the ban was a disgusting trampling of people's rights by an ever increasing control obsessed government.

[Druchii]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

"Apparently, England's smoking ban has caused more than 400,000 people to quit. Researchers say this could translate into 40,000 lives saved over the next 10 years." What a great result and all we had to do to achieve it was trample on the rights of a large section of the population and restrict an activity that is legal. Hey imagine how many lives we can save by banning alcohol and fast food man those figures would be great. This wasn't some sort of victory for anyone you had one group being oppressed by the government and another group because they saw a benefit in it for themselves standing by and allowing it to happen.

What should have happened was what most wanted a clear distinction between smoking pubs\clubs\whatever and non smoking that way everyone was catered for and no one had to lose out. Given how it worked out i am amazed that some people complain about this government not listening to the people because it only bothers some when they are not listening to what you want.

For me the lesson in this was you may not indulge in something that others do but we must all defend the rights of others to do legal activities without restriction from the government. Oh and before someone says i am no longer a smoker but i still feel the ban was a disgusting trampling of people's rights by an ever increasing control obsessed government.

And some people ust didn't want to breathe your smoke, when they chose not to smoke.
Why should they not go to the pub because you can't smoke outside?

Anyway, congrats on stopping. Bet that saved you a packet

I have always supported the ban 100%. The rights of the smoker have never been more important than the rights of the non smoker and for the smoker to have his rights infinges on the non smoker. This of course could lead to ill health not just for the smoker but for the non smoker also so the smoker is inflicting personal injury and therefore the ban is just

[Kymmy]

I've never smoked (only one out of my family) and lost my father (55) and brother (36) to smoking related cancers, I also hate the smell and welcome smoke free areas....

But I also agree that people should have a right to choice.....pity an outright ban was brought in, surely a simple law stating that pubs/clubs had to have an equal sized smoking/non-smoking areas would have then given people the choice....

Kymmy

Pubs have all got much larger smoking zones its called outside

I never said people didn't have the right to a smoke free area hence "a clear distinction between smoking pubs\clubs\whatever and non smoking that way everyone was catered for" which would have given both groups what they wanted guess that passed most of you guys by eh.

No not at all . I have friends who smoke and friends who do not smoke . If we all went out for a drink we would have to split up or one or the other would suffer.Just imagine the enviroment if everyone in a pub smoked talk abotu pea soup lol . The ban imo and by your post will save lives and a lot of people money it has to be a good thing. Smoking kills and effects not just the smoker.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by David F

Pubs have all got much larger smoking zones its called outside

You still have to pass by the smokers to get in the pub.

On the few occassions I visit such places I go to ones that have a garden for smokers so in actual fact I do not have to pass them

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I never said people didn't have the right to a smoke free area hence "a clear distinction between smoking pubs\clubs\whatever and non smoking that way everyone was catered for" which would have given both groups what they wanted guess that passed most of you guys by eh.

Ergh, I knew I was opening a can of worms here ...

This thread has been on the go for years, and it has all the arguments for and against in its many pages. However, to summarize the most important one, the smoking bans implemented in the various home nations of the UK were all legislated for on Health and Safety at Work grounds. The primary justification for it, in law, is that bar workers do not have the choice not to go into a smoking room. It is unfair to ask them to do so now there is such a wealth of evidence that even passive smoking can be deadly. That is why there are so few exemptions. Allowing smoking areas to continue would have completely defeated the primary purpose of the legislation.

Originally Posted by Chris T

Time to resurrect this old dog-end of a thread with some more statistics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7480856.stm

Apparently, England's smoking ban has caused more than 400,000 people to quit. Researchers say this could translate into 40,000 lives saved over the next 10 years.

So 400,000 have quit, the duty on a £5.00 packet of ciggies is for arguments sake £4.00, 400,000 used to smoke 20 a day they have since packed up thats a loss of £1,600,000 in duty per day, add that over the year and you have £83,200,000 in lost revenue, that's alot of money slipping through the treasury's hands, this loss will have to be clawed back, which way is it going to be clawed back?? Hike beer up to £4.00 a pint? Hike up petrol and diesel again? Up VAT to 20% it's got to come from somewhere.

The Government get £6billion a year in tobacco taxes, the cost to treat smoking related illnesses is £500million, they are making a tidy packet there aren't they?

Beer.....the Government gets £8billion a year in alcohol duty, the cost to treat, prevent violence, clean up after the weekends goings on are £12billion, of this money you've got the Police to pay who police the weekends drinking sprees, you've got the nurses who are at the A&E waiting for the low life to be bought in, you've got the Paramedics who have to take them to the hospital, you've got the clean up squads who have to work weekends to clear up the pavement pizza's left by the people who've had to much beer, there's the damage to pay for after violence has flared like smashed windows etc etc, you've then got to pay £50 to the alcoholics who are on disability payments each week.

The Government won't increase alcohol duty because most of the MP's are on the brewery's pay roll.

Keep hitting the smokers who get a raw deal every time, there are more alcoholics in this country than there are people who suffer from smoking related diseases.

£83 million a year is, if you'll pardon the pun, small beer in the context of an annual UK budget that's now in the region of £600 billion.