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13-04-2022, 17:49
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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H’mm. Maybe that’s because you are ignoring the elephant in the room.
Cake/beer. His colleagues definitely should have stuck with the beer.
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The elephant in the room is the denials in the House of Commons.
Things they should have avoided include bring-your-own-bottle invites, late night parties and furtive trips to the Co-op with suitcases for wine. But above all they should have avoided hypocrisy.
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13-04-2022, 18:05
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
From what I've read and seen on TV reports, seems like the word party is a bit misleading imo, must have been pretty boring parties.
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13-04-2022, 18:32
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
H’mm. Maybe that’s because you are ignoring the elephant in the room.
Cake/beer. His colleagues definitely should have stuck with the beer.
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You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.
He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.
Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.
This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.
Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.
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13-04-2022, 18:35
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by Chris
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.
He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.
Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.
This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.
Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.
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13-04-2022, 18:39
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by Chris
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.
He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.
Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.
This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.
Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.
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13-04-2022, 18:41
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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13-04-2022, 18:50
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
Justice Minister resigns…
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"The scale, context and nature of those breaches mean that it would be inconsistent with the rule of law for that conduct to pass with constitutional impunity".
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13-04-2022, 19:13
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.
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13-04-2022, 19:21
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The elephant in the room is the denials in the House of Commons.
Things they should have avoided include bring-your-own-bottle invites, late night parties and furtive trips to the Co-op with suitcases for wine. But above all they should have avoided hypocrisy.
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With that, I agree. But the PM appears not to have been involved with that.
My concern is simply with the inconsistency of fining Boris when Kier has got off scot free for virtually the same offence.
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Originally Posted by Chris
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.
He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.
Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.
This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.
Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.
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And yet you still haven't addressed the stark difference in treatment in extremely similar circumstances. I'm afraid you are the one who is deflecting.
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13-04-2022, 19:45
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
Yes, a meal break is exactly the same as a birthday party, an ABBA party, and a drinks party in the garden…
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13-04-2022, 19:54
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
With that, I agree. But the PM appears not to have been involved with that.
My concern is simply with the inconsistency of fining Boris when Kier has got off scot free for virtually the same offence.
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And yet you still haven't addressed the stark difference in treatment in extremely similar circumstances. I'm afraid you are the one who is deflecting.
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Kier wasn't at home he travelled 165miles for his beer and pizza party.
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13-04-2022, 19:59
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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13-04-2022, 20:01
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Makes the point.
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13-04-2022, 20:04
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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And that's why this isn't going away, so many people have stories like this and they and the people that know them aren't going to allow it to move on no matter how much some want it to
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13-04-2022, 20:04
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Kier wasn't at home he travelled 165miles for his beer and pizza party.
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Johnson was just up the road at the same time…
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ction-victory/
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...idays-20516634
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