Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Pierre

Pretty sure we won’t know if the current restrictions are having an effect for several weeks. Hence the restrictions will be in place at least until the end of May - I would estimate.

Hopefully if things show an improvement it may just slacken up a little bit come June.

That’s my hope anyway.

That’s my best guesstimate as well - we had two weeks in North Cyprus booked the 2nd and 3rd week of May - our assumption is that will have to be cancelled.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

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That’s not actually what that study said - you have simply read the FT headline and taken that as gospel. Had you actually read and understood the study it makes presumptions about how infection the virus is, and what that would mean in terms of the total population with it, and when it likely arose in the UK.

It was an entirely hypothetical study, which offered three less rose tinted outcomes than the one you describe. As you say though you choose the studies you want to believe rather than act on the science. I can’t help with that.

You do make me laugh, jfman! Always jumping off at the deep end and disagreeing with everything in sight.

For your information, I did read the article, and yes it was hypothetical. As are all the projections you will see about this virus. And the reason for that is that only a small minority of the population have been tested for the virus.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s my best guesstimate as well - we had two weeks in North Cyprus booked the 2nd and 3rd week of May - our assumption is that will have to be cancelled.

You'll have to settle for Ilkley Hugh, it's much the same

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s a list of key workers not a list of those only allowed to work.

Anyone can still work, as long as they can do so safely and following PHE guidance.

No, not quite. The PM has ordered many industries shut, so again not everyone can still work if they wanted to.

Restaurants Food delivery only and takeaway can remain operational
Cafés, including workplace canteens Food delivery and takeaway can remain operational. Cafés or canteens at hospitals, care homes or schools; prison and military canteens; services providing food or drink to the homeless.

Pubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Nightclubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hotel bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Members' clubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hair, beauty and nail salons -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Tattoo and piercing parlours -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

All other retail Supermarkets and other food shops, healthshops, pharmacies including non-dispensing pharmacies, petrol stations, bicycle shops, home and hardware shops, laundrettes and dry cleaners, garages, car rentals, pet shops, cornershops, newsagents, post offices, and banks.

Outdoor and indoor markets Market stalls which offer essential retail, such as grocery and food.

Car showrooms -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Auction houses -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

Hotels Hotels, hostels, bed and breakfasts, campsites and boarding houses for commercial use where people live in these as interim abodes whilst their primary residence is unavailable they may continue to do so.

Key workers can continue to stay in hotels or similar where required.
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses where people live permanently in caravan parks or are staying in caravan parks as interim abodes where their primary residence is not available, they may continue to do so.

Libraries -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Community centres, youth centres and similar Facilities may remain open for the purpose of hosting essential voluntary or public services, such as food banks or homeless services.
Places of worship for services Funerals following the social distancing guidance; places of worship should remain open for solitary prayer. Live streaming of a service without audience would be permissible.

Cinemas, theatres and concert halls Live streaming of a performance by a small group could be permissible with social distancing observed

Museums and galleries NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bingo halls, casinos and betting shops NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Spas NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Skating rinks NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Fitness studios, gyms, swimming pools, leisure centres NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Arcades, bowling alleys, soft play NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Enclosed spaces in parks, including playgrounds, sports courts and pitches, and outdoor gyms or similar NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

So no sorry, "anybody can go to work" during this lock down, is not at all accurate.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You do make me laugh, jfman! Always jumping off at the deep end and disagreeing with everything in sight.

For your information, I did read the article, and yes it was hypothetical. As are all the projections you will see about this virus. And the reason for that is that only a small minority of the population have been tested for the virus.

You read a newspaper article but not the study itself?

I think you’ll find a cost of/lack of available tests and non-adherence to WHO protocols on tacking a pandemic is the answer to your last part. However maybe that’s the pedant in me.

Originally Posted by nomadking

And as that article says at the beginning.....

See above. The very article itself asks...

Can I go to work? The list of key workers and essential roles, explained

Key words underlined.

So if you go against government instructions, it's no longer advice and your work is not considered essential, good luck with the police if they stop you.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

No, not quite. The PM has ordered many industries shut, so again not everyone can still work if they wanted to.

Restaurants Food delivery only and takeaway can remain operational
Cafés, including workplace canteens Food delivery and takeaway can remain operational. Cafés or canteens at hospitals, care homes or schools; prison and military canteens; services providing food or drink to the homeless.

Pubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Nightclubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hotel bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Members' clubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hair, beauty and nail salons -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Tattoo and piercing parlours -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

All other retail Supermarkets and other food shops, healthshops, pharmacies including non-dispensing pharmacies, petrol stations, bicycle shops, home and hardware shops, laundrettes and dry cleaners, garages, car rentals, pet shops, cornershops, newsagents, post offices, and banks.

Outdoor and indoor markets Market stalls which offer essential retail, such as grocery and food.

Car showrooms -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Auction houses -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

Hotels Hotels, hostels, bed and breakfasts, campsites and boarding houses for commercial use where people live in these as interim abodes whilst their primary residence is unavailable they may continue to do so.

Key workers can continue to stay in hotels or similar where required.
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses where people live permanently in caravan parks or are staying in caravan parks as interim abodes where their primary residence is not available, they may continue to do so.

Libraries -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Community centres, youth centres and similar Facilities may remain open for the purpose of hosting essential voluntary or public services, such as food banks or homeless services.
Places of worship for services Funerals following the social distancing guidance; places of worship should remain open for solitary prayer. Live streaming of a service without audience would be permissible.

Cinemas, theatres and concert halls Live streaming of a performance by a small group could be permissible with social distancing observed

Museums and galleries NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bingo halls, casinos and betting shops NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Spas NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Skating rinks NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Fitness studios, gyms, swimming pools, leisure centres NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Arcades, bowling alleys, soft play NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Enclosed spaces in parks, including playgrounds, sports courts and pitches, and outdoor gyms or similar NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

So no sorry, "anybody can go to work" during this lock down, is not at all accurate.

Don't forget Off Licences are allowed to stay open as they are essential, says a lot about this country.

I'm really worried about the state of the nation's hair by June....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't forget Off Licences are allowed to stay open as they are essential, says a lot about this country.

I'm really worried about the state of the nation's hair by June....

No problem there as most of mine has disappeared.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

No problem there as most of mine has disappeared.

You win this one Den ! . Mine will be Worzel.Gummidge by then.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

See above. The very article itself asks...

Can I go to work? The list of key workers and essential roles, explained

Key words underlined.

So if you go against government instructions, it's no longer advice and your work is not considered essential, good luck with the police if they stop you.

The government says.

"The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

Separately, there is a list of critical workers who can still take their children to school or childcare. Provision has been prioritised for these workers.

Every worker – whether critical or not – should work from home if they can but may otherwise travel to work.

We have also asked certain businesses where people gather, such as pubs and most shops, to close. Separate guidance has been published on this."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-or-go-to-work

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mick

See above. The very article itself asks...

Can I go to work? The list of key workers and essential roles, explained

Key words underlined.

So if you go against government instructions, it's no longer advice and you work is not considered essential, good luck with the police if they stop you.

The "can I go to work?" is a question.

Can children of non-key workers still go to school? No, they should be at home and observing social distancing.

Implying the parent(s) won't necessarily be at home themselves.

Do both parents need to be key workers? Children with at least one parent or carer who are identified as critical workers by the government can send their children to school if required.

Again implying a parent is not a key worker might not be at home.

Communities Secretary Robert Jendrick has provided this checklist to help workers decide if they should stay home or not:

1. If you can work from home, you must do so
2. If that is impossible, you can go to work
3. If you are in the workplace, you should adhere to social distancing guidelines
4. If that's not possible, businesses should consider ceasing to trade

Official UK government website.
Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do

4. Should I stay at home or go to work?

You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.
Certain jobs require people to travel to their place of work – for instance if they operate machinery, work in construction or manufacturing, or are delivering front line services such as train and bus drivers.
...
5. I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?

If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.
...
6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?

The government is NOT saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't forget Off Licences are allowed to stay open as they are essential, says a lot about this country.

I'm really worried about the state of the nation's hair by June....

But if you go to the off-licence enough, you won't care!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

No, not quite. The PM has ordered many industries shut, so again not everyone can still work if they wanted to.

So no sorry, "anybody can go to work" during this lock down, is not at all accurate.

OK Mick,

Obviously, any of the sectors that have been officially shutdown by government can’t go to work........

But you know well that is not what I meant. Of course if you worked in a pub you can’t go to work.

But if you don’t work in a sector that is shutdown, and that is most, then you can.

Originally Posted by nomadking

The "can I go to work?" is a question.
Implying the parent(s) won't necessarily be at home themselves.


Again implying a parent is not a key worker might not be at home.
Official UK government website.
Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do

We are not talking about schools FFS.

You're not highlighting anything specific here that I don't already know and you're missing my point entirely.

I still stand by that the statement of "anybody can go to work" is not at all accurate, especially when many industries have been ordered shut and should not even be open.

We are in a lock down for a reason, it doesn't mean all and sundry can ignore it and still carry on going to work, else wtf is the point of a lockdown if everyone carried on going to work, because they're allowed to. Wrong!

So if Joe Bloggs, is seen out and about during this lock down and is stopped by the Police, they ask the purpose of the journey, and Joe replies, work, they won't leave it there, they will ask what kind of work, if Joe says he is going to go work in an industry not considered essential, he could still be fined.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

We are not talking about schools FFS.

You're not highlighting anything specific here that I don't already know and you're missing my point entirely.

I still stand by that the statement of "anybody can go to work" is not at all accurate, especially when many industries have been ordered shut and should not even be open.

We are in a lock down for a reason, it doesn't mean all and sundry can ignore it and still carry on going to work, else wtf is the point of a lockdown if everyone carried on going to work, because they're allowed to. Wrong!

So if Joe Bloggs, is seen out and about during this lock down and is stopped by the Police, they ask the purpose of the journey, and Joe replies, work, they won't leave it there, they will ask what kind of work, if Joe says he is going to go work in an industry not considered essential, he could still be fined.

Joe might want to direct the police to the government.

"The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-or-go-to-work