[Merged] Where is HD from NTL? When?

[Chrysalis]

the 26% on analogue services is ntl's own doing, they know what they need to do to get the % lower.

[Horizon]

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[dbateman2k5]

Originally Posted by McYorkie

Neptune: VOD to ex-cwc areas? Probably not too far away now, there's only the Solent area listed on Langley side to be done before York starts off the VOD stuff for Bromley side, according to ntl:'s own list over on their VOD microsite.

erm... Solent is on the Bromley platform McYorkie, so we are one of the first Bromley areas to get the VOD code, along with Watford and a few others I think

[Horizon]

Stating the obvious really, but when ntl release HDTV services this summer, they have to have the stb to enable this. So as per previous comments, we now have the timetable for the ntl pvr launch - summer, possibly in June.

[Horizon]

How strange.... I posted here the other day when ntl are launching hdtv and (guessing) but vod too and barely a comment....Now that everyone knows, I guess that's the end of the thread.

[popper]

i do wish people would stop refering to the standard as mpeg4, its not .

its really mpeg4 -part10-, more commonly refered to as AVC or more so, h.264, the so called older and not as good mpeg4
is infact more likely to be Xvid or divX, so please try and use h264 to avoid confusion and iv had the americans trying to subvert threads elsewere implying we brits are not infact getting the more advanced h264 HD tv before they are,for some strange reason they dont seem to like not being first !.

remember its h.264 or AVC at a pinch 'mpeg4 AVC' if you must 8)

[Graham M]

I think ill stick with MPEG4.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Mails Crushed

MPEG-2 quality it much better than MPEG-4.
The purpose of MPEG-4 is to create a watchable image at extremely low bandiwdth....

well this reply is more for the readers info, rather than correct you as someone already did.

the facts dont support your assumption and thats all it is.

first as i posted above mpeg-4 (i noticed you went to the trouble of putting in the minus LOL) is NOT mpeg-4 -part10-
the real HD TV h.264, aka AVC, standard.

second " The purpose of MPEG-4 is to create a watchable image at extremely low bandiwdth...." is wrong, the newer
DVB-H (h for handheld as apposed T,C or S) is to cover that
aspect but again only to a degree depending on bandwidth available to the wireless and other phone,etc networks.

the real h264 encoder has far more control and finer block patten than the old-hat mpeg-2 , so hence if you start with a lossless encoded (their still very large files) video file and encode that file with both mpeg2 and h264 at the same bit rate, and other high grade settings then the h264 file will always look and in fact be better and smaller by an average 50% or more.

if you start with a high grade mpeg2 file and re-encode that to h264 with high settings then again within resonable perception that resulting h264 file will be just as good looking and smaller than the mpeg2.

however starting with an older what people wrongly call mpeg4 but infact are Xvid/DivX will become usually werse that the original at far less space saving so dont make that mistake and wast effort and time.

hope thats clearer for people that like learning something new.

remember it h.264 or AVC people.......

[HDFootyMan]

Originally Posted by Zeph

I think ill stick with MPEG4.

Me too.

I doubt very much if most NTL customers care if its Part 1, 10 or 324 of MPEG 4, or even if its MPEG 2.

What they do care about is when NTL will being out a PVR with the ability to do HDTV.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Chris Howell

Me too.

I doubt very much if most NTL customers care if its Part 1, 10 or 324 of MPEG 4, or even if its MPEG 2.

What they do care about is when NTL will being out a PVR with the ability to do HDTV.

thats fare enough, if you find typing mpeg4 easyer than avc
great, interesting about the PVR you would get at *least* twice the amount of video on that hard drive with h264, would they care about that if it was only mpeg2 ?.

[HDFootyMan]

Originally Posted by popper

thats fare enough, if you find typing mpeg4 easyer than avc
great, interesting about the PVR you would get at *least* twice the amount of video on that hard drive with h264, would they care about that if it was only mpeg2 ?.

Do the majority of Telewest customers care about that? No. And you know why? Because they HAVE PVR and HDTV functionality, right now.

And yes, I am capable of typing 'MPEG 4'. And I am well aware of the extra recording space and better compression with MPEG 4.

You're assuming that the majority of the public are wised-up on the advantages of MPEG 4 and Part 10 and AVC. Newsflash - most of the public don't know these terms, or even care. They want a PVR with HDTV - they dont care how it works or what compression format it uses - they want the functionality that such a device would offer, ASAP!! Its that simple.

When Telewest released their PVR, did you see loads of their customers crying about the fact that it records in MPEG 2 rather than MPEG 4 (Part Whatever)??? Nope.

Did you see the majority of Telewest customers saying "Wahh!! They didn't use MPEG 4 Part 10!!!! Now I can't record over 30 hours on my TVDrive's 80Gig Drive!!!" Nope.

What you DID see is loads of posts about how they can watch World Cup footy in HDTV and how they can finally watch one channel while recording two other at the same time.

I agree that NTL should use MPEG 4 - but right now, if using MPEG 2 instead of MPEG 4 means that our PVR gets released this year rather than 'coming soon', I doubt if the majority of NTL customers would care (especially the ones who know nothing about compression formats).

[popper]

Originally Posted by sprattgraham

I See no confirmation from NTL that they will be using MPEG2 and my contact at Scientific Atlanta still says they are making the MPEG4 STB For NTL

hi.
is there a spec someware for that box ?, is it able to muticast
over the rj45 to any local computer, or indeed the other way around, take a muticast or http/rtp feed from a local computer
running for instance vlc and decode that stream through the stb to the atached tv ?.

is it using the liberate OS in the box or something far more substantial and realtime such as qssl/qnx/rtp thats a far better and reliable os for an stb.

any info welcome and finally will ntl enable any/all the options its able to do.

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Originally Posted by Chris Howell

Do the majority of Telewest customers care about that? No. And you know why? Because they HAVE PVR and HDTV functionality, right now.

And yes, I am capable of typing 'MPEG 4'. And I am well aware of the extra recording space and better compression with MPEG 4.

You're assuming that the majority of the public are wised-up on the advantages of MPEG 4 and Part 10 and AVC. Newsflash - most of the public don't know these terms, or even care. They want a PVR with HDTV - they dont care how it works or what compression format it uses - they want the functionality that such a device would offer, ASAP!! Its that simple.

When Telewest released their PVR, did you see loads of their customers crying about the fact that it records in MPEG 2 rather than MPEG 4 (Part Whatever)??? Nope.

Did you see the majority of Telewest customers saying "Wahh!! They didn't use MPEG 4 Part 10!!!! Now I can't record over 30 hours on my TVDrive's 80Gig Drive!!!" Nope.

What you DID see is loads of posts about how they can watch World Cup footy in HDTV and how they can finally watch one channel while recording two other at the same time.

I agree that NTL should use MPEG 4 - but right now, if using MPEG 2 instead of MPEG 4 means that our PVR gets released this year rather than 'coming soon', I doubt if the majority of NTL customers would care (especially the ones who know nothing about compression formats).

fare enough Chris, what you getting all worked up for mate its not really a big problem is it.

one thing though your wrong, i dont assume anything and hence why i asked that peole call it by its name (any 3 of them).

whats more i gave these people that dont currently know, the outline in case these people were interested.

i somewhat agree with your overall pessimistic view that many people are quite happy being ignorent of the facts.

these people might as well just go down the local argos and get one of the £80 quid PVR's and own them outright and be happy, id better not mention protected Hi-def content and how that might effect people chooses regarding tv's and stuff for risk of you really getting upset, remember Chris its not werth it , its only tv mate, all the best, anyway hope your feeling better later.

[HDFootyMan]

Originally Posted by popper

hi.
is there a spec someware for that box ?, is it able to muticast
over the rj45 to any local computer, or indeed the other way around, take a muticast or http/rtp feed from a local computer
running for instance vlc and decode that stream through the stb to the atached tv ?.

is it using the liberate OS in the box or something far more substantial and realtime such as qssl/qnx/rtp thats a far better and reliable os for an stb.

any info welcome and finally will ntl enable any/all the options its able to do.

---------- Post added at 13:42 ---------- Previous post was at 13:18 ----------



fare enough Chris, what you getting all worked up for mate its not really a big problem is it.

one thing though your wrong, i dont assume anything and hence why i asked that peole call it by its name (any 3 of them).

whats more i gave these people that dont currently know, the outline in case these people were interested.

i somewhat agree with your overall pessimistic view that many people are quite happy being ignorent of the facts.

these people might as well just go down the local argos and get one of the £80 quid PVR's and own them outright and be happy, id better not mention protected Hi-def content and how that might effect people chooses regarding tv's and stuff for risk of you really getting upset, remember Chris its not werth it , its only tv mate, all the best, anyway hope your feeling better later.

Who says I'm worked up?

You're the one who insisted on us calling MPEG 4 as "h.264, aka AVC", remember???

Hell, I've ready stated on these forums that I probably won't be having NTL's HDTV PVR - I already have a HD DVR which does a very good job for me with a monthly rental of £0.00. So in the long run, I couldn't care less what spec NTL's PVR is.

And I'm feeling quite fine, thank-you very much.

[mob227]

I agree with you chris most ntl customer will not care what ever mpeg version etc it is

Originally Posted by Chris Howell

Do the majority of Telewest customers care about that? No. And you know why? Because they HAVE PVR and HDTV functionality, right now.

And yes, I am capable of typing 'MPEG 4'. And I am well aware of the extra recording space and better compression with MPEG 4.

You're assuming that the majority of the public are wised-up on the advantages of MPEG 4 and Part 10 and AVC. Newsflash - most of the public don't know these terms, or even care. They want a PVR with HDTV - they dont care how it works or what compression format it uses - they want the functionality that such a device would offer, ASAP!! Its that simple.

When Telewest released their PVR, did you see loads of their customers crying about the fact that it records in MPEG 2 rather than MPEG 4 (Part Whatever)??? Nope.

Did you see the majority of Telewest customers saying "Wahh!! They didn't use MPEG 4 Part 10!!!! Now I can't record over 30 hours on my TVDrive's 80Gig Drive!!!" Nope.

What you DID see is loads of posts about how they can watch World Cup footy in HDTV and how they can finally watch one channel while recording two other at the same time.

I agree that NTL should use MPEG 4 - but right now, if using MPEG 2 instead of MPEG 4 means that our PVR gets released this year rather than 'coming soon', I doubt if the majority of NTL customers would care (especially the ones who know nothing about compression formats).

[Timeless Stew]

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

So sky will broadcast in H.264 (see Applications section)

If NTL provide MPEG-2 boxes, then it has to re-code the H.264 signal into MPEG-2 and send it to the NTL STB boxes. Insane....