Boris misled just about everyone.
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson’s 25 notebooks from his time in office are being withheld from him by the government after a review by the security services found pages of highly sensitive material
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16-06-2023, 23:52
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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17-06-2023, 00:53
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.
You don’t have an answer, do you?
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Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...
A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris
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B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?
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17-06-2023, 10:06
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...
A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris
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B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?
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Both A & B.
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17-06-2023, 10:12
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...
A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris
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B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?
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Spot on. I was surprised that OB took this spurious line, especially since it accepts that both are/were liars.
OB should not be supporting a proven liar.
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NADS
I’ve some sympathy for NADS. She was an excellent Media/Culture SOS, taking on the BBC etc. Also, here past is strewn with good causes and good deeds.
Her sycophancy for Boris has overtaken reasonableness and has placed her into the wretched group think class.
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17-06-2023, 10:34
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Both A & B.
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So like your dear leader you have no principled stance. You will simply say anything as a matter of convenience, even when there is clearly a side to be picked.
Quelle surprise.
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17-06-2023, 11:17
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Spot on. I was surprised that OB took this spurious line, especially since it accepts that both are/were liars.
OB should not be supporting a proven liar.
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NADS
I’ve some sympathy for NADS. She was an excellent Media/Culture SOS, taking on the BBC etc. Also, here past is strewn with good causes and good deeds.
Her sycophancy for Boris has overtaken reasonableness and has placed her into the wretched group think class.
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Sounds familiar…
Just out of curiosity (as I can’t find anything online), could you provide examples of Nads’ "good causes and good deeds*", please?
* not counting when she said she was going to give her MP’s salary for the time she was in GMOOHIAC, as she would have donated £5k but earned £20k
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17-06-2023, 13:42
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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So like your dear leader you have no principled stance. You will simply say anything as a matter of convenience, even when there is clearly a side to be picked.
Quelle surprise.
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Don’t be ridiculous. I have contrasted how two ex Prime Ministers have been dealt with to show that Boris is being hounded out whereas Blair got away with it, and it was Blair who committed a worse misdemeanour.
Do you really believe that the action taken against Boris was fair when Blair got off lying to justify going to war? Do you not have a sense of proportion, man?
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17-06-2023, 13:52
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Don’t be ridiculous. I have contrasted how two ex Prime Ministers have been dealt with to show that Boris is being hounded out whereas Blair got away with it, and it was Blair who committed a worse misdemeanour.
Do you really believe that the action taken against Boris was fair when Blair got off lying to justify going to war? Do you not have a sense of proportion, man?
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Your appeal to my sense of proportion has fallen on deaf ears. Since when was British politics necessarily rational or proportionate.
The question is merely whether it was the right outcome which is an overwhelming and resounding yes. Other people may have gotten away with it but that's like saying we should release every criminal because there's unsolved crime.
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17-06-2023, 15:20
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Your appeal to my sense of proportion has fallen on deaf ears. Since when was British politics necessarily rational or proportionate.
The question is merely whether it was the right outcome which is an overwhelming and resounding yes. Other people may have gotten away with it but that's like saying we should release every criminal because there's unsolved crime.
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You just can’t bring yourself to acknowledge the obvious, can you?
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17-06-2023, 15:39
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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You just can’t bring yourself to acknowledge the obvious, can you?
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Take a look in the mirror for that line, OB.
As I say, the logical conclusion from your ludicrous assertion is that nobody, anywhere, should ever be held accountable for their actions. It's a mystery why you continue to ignore the obvious that he's just a liar, a crook, a spineless politician. He's not even a conservative by any meaning of the word.
No-one of his standing should be anywhere near an elected Parliament, let alone ascend to high office. The fact people have, and will no continue to do so with corruption as much an English pastime as cricket, is irrelevant.
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17-06-2023, 17:43
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
I trust Boris way more that Liebours KS
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17-06-2023, 17:50
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I trust Boris way more that Liebours KS
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So you trust a serial liar more then someone who upholds the law. 
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17-06-2023, 18:59
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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Take a look in the mirror for that line, OB.
As I say, the logical conclusion from your ludicrous assertion is that nobody, anywhere, should ever be held accountable for their actions. It's a mystery why you continue to ignore the obvious that he's just a liar, a crook, a spineless politician. He's not even a conservative by any meaning of the word.
No-one of his standing should be anywhere near an elected Parliament, let alone ascend to high office. The fact people have, and will no continue to do so with corruption as much an English pastime as cricket, is irrelevant.
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I was not questioning that. I was comparing his treatment with that of Blair.
Oh, never mind, it’s like getting blood out of a stone. 
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17-06-2023, 19:06
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Re: [Update] Boris misled just about everyone.
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I was not questioning that. I was comparing his treatment with that of Blair.
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So, what are you questioning? You agree Boris is a liar, a crook, corrupt, shouldn’t be in front line politics but because Blair took us to war twenty years ago he should get a free pass.
Boris has lived his whole life getting free passes. The Conservative Party, and indeed the country, can’t afford to give him another.
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