'Thirteen shot dead' at US army base

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

What was different about 'society itself'? In particular, could you mention the things that you think are relevant to murder and the death penalty.

Peoples thinking? knowing that you can't get drugs when you're dead?

I'm just saying you don't know that just because it didn't work once, that it won't work 45 years later.

If the death penalty isn't a deterrent in the US, why should it be one here?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If the death penalty isn't a deterrent in the US, why should it be one here?

I'm sure it's a deterrent to some. just not all. we aren't America.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I will never understand why people have this assumption that if a murderer is jailed until he dies, who pays for him whilst he is serving time - US in taxes.

If a person commits murder in the States, is an almost certainty he will face the death penalty.

In this silly country, a murderer gets life, which l believe is 15 years, unless the judge says otherwise, WE pay for him to live in a life of Luxury, FREE, everything he/she wants gets, We should have the death penalty brought back to deal with killers - l would pull the plug.

[budwieser]

If people in America commit an offence that warrants the death penalty and its carried out, they will not commit the same offence again. I`m all for it if its proved beyond a Reasonable doubt.
In this country of ours, there is NO DETERRENT!!!!!!! People can do what they want without any fear on the whole of any loss of liberty or anything to make them think twice of the consequences of being caught.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I will never understand why people have this assumption that if a murderer is jailed until he dies, who pays for him whilst he is serving time - US in taxes.

If a person commits murder in the States, is an almost certainty he will face the death penalty.

In this silly country, a murderer gets life, which l believe is 15 years, unless the judge says otherwise, WE pay for him to live in a life of Luxury, FREE, everything he/she wants gets, We should have the death penalty brought back to deal with killers - l would pull the plug.

Not true, Arthur. The national average in the USA (well, in 2004) is that 2.5% of convicted murderers are on Death Row.

Originally Posted by Gary L

The last time the death penalty was used was in 1964. that's 45 years ago.
society itself was different.

nobody knows that it wouldn't be a deterrent in todays society.

Well abortion was illegal but women still had back street abortions.

Homosexuals were imprisoned for the act of homosexuality.

Children were caned in school.

Only married women were allowed to be proscribed the pill.

The Krays were torturing and murdering people.

Yep life was different alright...

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Reasonable doubt in no way means 100% certain.

Okay, let's put it this way. How would you quantify 100% certain?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well abortion was illegal but women still had back street abortions.

Homosexuals were imprisoned for the act of homosexuality.

Children were caned in school.

Only married women were allowed to be proscribed the pill.

The Krays were torturing and murdering people.

Yep life was different alright...

Yep. completely different.
another thing was the chances of being caught we're very slim so the deterrent was ignored if you like.

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Not true, Arthur. The national average in the USA (well, in 2004) is that 2.5% of convicted murderers are on Death Row.

To add to that, the death penalty isn't law in every American state and for the amount of time some prisoners stay on death row, it might as well just be a life sentence. There are a number who've been on death row for decades.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Peoples thinking? knowing that you can't get drugs when you're dead?

What the ...........?

I'm just saying you don't know that just because it didn't work once, that it won't work 45 years later.

And there is no way of knowing that it would either, so best left alone then really.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well abortion was illegal but women still had back street abortions.

Homosexuals were imprisoned for the act of homosexuality.

Children were caned in school.

Only married women were allowed to be proscribed the pill.

The Krays were torturing and murdering people.

Yep life was different alright...

If you had the cane at school, it made you think twice about doing the same thing again Maggie!.
The krays mainly went after their own kind, they took care of the situation if a woman was beaten up or raped. I`m not saying they were angels but the east end was safer when they were around.
So called Back street abortions still happen today, but now, its called the morning after pill.
And "proscribed" is actually spelt prescribed.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

And there is no way of knowing that it would either,

That's what I said.

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Originally Posted by budwieser

If you had the cane at school, it made you think twice about doing the same thing again Maggie!

They took the deterrent away, and it all went berserk

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's what I said.

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They took the deterrent away, and it all went berserk

But the complaint against the cane in school was it was the same few idiots who still got caned,again and again and again and again........it wasn't a complete deterrent..anymore than hanging was.You all avoided my mention of the Krays...they weren't scared of hanging, in fact they weren't scared of anyone.Their record on National service is a real eye opener.

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Originally Posted by budwieser

If you had the cane at school, it made you think twice about doing the same thing again Maggie!.
The krays mainly went after their own kind, they took care of the situation if a woman was beaten up or raped. I`m not saying they were angels but the east end was safer when they were around.
So called Back street abortions still happen today, but now, its called the morning after pill.
And "proscribed" is actually spelt prescribed.

Oh the morning after pill is not back street abortions that's stretching it a great deal..and very emotive.

I already explained about how caning was only a deterrent for some of us..there were those that never learned.

And The Krays were still murderers who weren't scared of being hung...it doesn't matter whom their victims were.Safer?Not really it was just certain crimes were less reported.In fact there was less news and it certainly wasn't available 24/7. Tv and Radio were shut down for most of the evening.Only two TV stations.So there was less concentrated reporting of the crimes taking place.
I very much doubt that Brady and Hindley were even thinking about being caught even less that they weren't going to hang..

And then there were still those who committed murder despite the chances of being caught, tried and hung.It may have deterred some but not all.

Proscribed,precsribed..not often I use the wrong word.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

But the complaint against the cane in school was it was the same few idiots who still got caned,again and again and again and again........it wasn't a complete deterrent..anymore than hanging was.

I thought the complaint was that it was cruel and un PC.

You all avoided my mention of the Krays...they weren't scared of hanging, in fact they weren't scared of anyone.Their record on National service is a real eye opener.

They were too far up their own bums to be bothered.