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I don't really think this is the place to be discussing e-mails you may be receiving - I suggest you report them to hotmail. BTW - you left your e-mail address in the above headers, I have removed it for you.

[spike7451]

URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys!! check this out!!!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07..._driver_fined/
spike

With thanks to the poster on www.ntlhell.co.uk who's name i've forgotten!!!!!11

[AndrewJ]

But he only just got done? is this another case or same guy?

Originally Posted by Saxodriver

But he only just got done? is this another case or same guy?

Another case

I doubt NTL would let him back on after whats happened

[AndrewJ]

I don't know more likely I would guess a period time ban.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by spike7451

URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys!! check this out!!!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07..._driver_fined/
spike

With thanks to the poster on www.ntlhell.co.uk who's name i've forgotten!!!!!11

Already being discussed at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...hlight=driving, and it is another case. Our legal system does not work that fast.

[spike7451]

Sorry,Did'nt know but i thought it might be relevent.

PS,whats this opera browser like?I use Avant.
Spike

Originally Posted by spike7451

Sorry,Did'nt know but i thought it might be relevent.

PS,whats this opera browser like?I use Avant.
Spike

[Paul K]

Well I for one hope NTL cut your connection simpsonsFAN, I also hope that they rip you to shreds in court Taking advantage of elderly people is inexcusable and shows just what sort of person you really are.
Angelus, if you are getting abusive mail I would report it to Hotmail as they may be able to track the IP address that it is originating from, if the IP address matches the one you think it is then that is another report to AUP.

Its a strange one this.

Just read the whole thread.

He's not ripping off the pensioners as such.
He has told them for £10 a month they can share his connection and he will support them as much as he can.

Now yes T&C's say you must not share out of your house. What if you have a home office in an out building and a PC in the main house, thats acceptable but your still going to breach T&C's

He says neighbours, now if its wireless he's only gonna be realistically sharing with neighbours either side (and he did mention that he was only next door)
So what he has done is slightly enlarged his network, provided a hassle free connection for the pensioners and re-coups some of this initial outlay. Thats 3 PC's on one connection and within T&C's with the exception that its involving 2 other properties. Now to me thats NTL saying you cant do it because it screws them out of screwing others out of money. Not because of any affect it may have on the network.

I dont find too much wrong with that, I'm not certain that I find it acceptable but I'm not quite as against it as others, I know of lots of people that share with neighbours via wireless routers in lofts.

I dont think NTL will do too much, not in regards to this specific part, about his web hosting etc if it is indeed on his residential ntl connection maybe.

I doubt he will get more than a written warning.

And before I get flamed, I am not defending the guy just trying to look at it in a realistic way.

His charging £10 a month for internet access and unlimmited support is good I think, I know of shops that charge a £25 call out and then labour and parts on top. Talk about ripping of customers, well NTL is not going to offer them better by taking £10 a month and offering no onsite support is it?

Each to their own I guess.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Its a strange one this.

Just read the whole thread.

He's not ripping off the pensioners as such.

Charging someone for something they could get for themselves for a few £'s more? (not only that, but they would get dedicated ISP support) I call that a rip off.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

He has told them for £10 a month they can share his connection and he will support them as much as he can.

Immoral & Illegal.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Now yes T&C's say you must not share out of your house. What if you have a home office in an out building and a PC in the main house, thats acceptable but your still going to breach T&C's

But that's not the case here, & so it's not relevant.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

He says neighbours, now if its wireless he's only gonna be realistically sharing with neighbours either side (and he did mention that he was only next door)
So what he has done is slightly enlarged his network, provided a hassle free connection for the pensioners and re-coups some of this initial outlay.

What happens when the OAP needs help & he's not around? & I weould guess he's more than recouping his outlay too.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Thats 3 PC's on one connection and within T&C's with the exception that its involving 2 other properties. Now to me thats NTL saying you cant do it because it screws them out of screwing others out of money. Not because of any affect it may have on the network.

One connection per household-simple-perhaps BT would be happy if one person had the free calls 24/7 option, & let all the neighbours (who didn't have BT lines at all) use it?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I dont find too much wrong with that, I'm not certain that I find it acceptable but I'm not quite as against it as others, I know of lots of people that share with neighbours via wireless routers in lofts.

That doesn't make it right though.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I dont think NTL will do too much, not in regards to this specific part, about his web hosting etc if it is indeed on his residential ntl connection maybe.

I think you're wrong.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I doubt he will get more than a written warning.

See above.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

And before I get flamed, I am not defending the guy just trying to look at it in a realistic way.

Then be reasistic, & realise that he is trying to cover his BB costs at the expense of OAPs who know no better.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

His charging £10 a month for internet access and unlimmited support is good I think, I know of shops that charge a £25 call out and then labour and parts on top.

And you think that's acceptable do you?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Talk about ripping of customers, well NTL is not going to offer them better by taking £10 a month and offering no onsite support is it?

Each to their own I guess.

But they could get a basic 256k BB service from an ADSL provider for literally a few £'s more, & get proper support-not when Simpsonsfan is available.

Sorry-but there's no getting away from the fact that this is illegal & immoral, & I hope ntl take him to court.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Neil

But they could get a basic 256k BB service from an ADSL provider for literally a few £'s more, & get proper support-not when Simpsonsfan is available.

Sorry-but there's no getting away from the fact that this is illegal & immoral, & I hope ntl take him to court.

Also, if he is hosting a free images site on his own connection, there is no way the pensioners will get 256K speed from him..

Originally Posted by Neil

Charging someone for something they could get for themselves for a few £'s more? (not only that, but they would get dedicated ISP support) I call that a rip off.


Immoral & Illegal.


But that's not the case here, & so it's not relevant.


What happens when the OAP needs help & he's not around? & I weould guess he's more than recouping his outlay too.


One connection per household-simple-perhaps BT would be happy if one person had the free calls 24/7 option, & let all the neighbours (who didn't have BT lines at all) use it?


That doesn't make it right though.


I think you're wrong.


See above.


Then be reasistic, & realise that he is trying to cover his BB costs at the expense of OAPs who know no better.


And you think that's acceptable do you?


But they could get a basic 256k BB service from an ADSL provider for literally a few £'s more, & get proper support-not when Simpsonsfan is available.

Sorry-but there's no getting away from the fact that this is illegal & immoral, & I hope ntl take him to court.

Thing is though, he isnt just supporting their connection, he's supporting everyhting they do on a PC. If you had a virus on your PC and couldnt remove it, how much would PC world charge?
If you wanted more ram how much do PC world charge to install it?

What I am saying is that he isnt really ripping customers off, he is offering something other than an internet connection for 10 quid a month.
Do NTL do on site support for PC's?
It would be impossible for the pensioners not to know what NTL charge, such is the advertising at the minute, My guess is that they are fully aware of what they could get but prefer this arrangement. Therefore he is not ripping them off.

As for my comments about the outbuilding, it was intended to show how easy it is to break T&C's and be doing somehting that is acceptable, therefore it IS relevant.
And no because other do it does not make it right, but we shouldnt be organising a witch hunt against someone that does whilst we are probably aware of others doing exactly the same.

The other thing that amazes me is that many people on here have condemend this guy for "illegal" activities, yet how many on here file share? How much of an effect does that have to other users, or is it a case of this is OK because everyone does it?

Yes he is WRONG. But what I was trying to say is that many of the accusations thrown at him about detrimental service to other people in the area are not realistic. I dont know exaclt whats going on re web hosting on his account, but if he wasnt charging £10 a month I doubt many people here would have batted an eyelid and regarded him as helping the elderly.

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Its a strange one this.

Just read the whole thread.

He's not ripping off the pensioners as such.
He has told them for £10 a month they can share his connection and he will support them as much as he can.

You obviously didn't read the bit where he said "I give out my 3MB NTL Broadband connection to people at 10 pounds a month each, but I put them all on the lowest QoS bandwidth management setting my router has, so that way I can still use WinMX and surf digitalspy while my neighbours enjoy their supposed "broadband" internet."

Admittedly he said that on DigitalSpy, not on here, but we have quoted him in this thread more than once. Not only is he defrauding NTL by operating outside the terms and conditions of his service, he is defrauding the pensioners because he has clearly told them they are getting Broadband. The details of his setup however, shows otherwise.